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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Highly dependent on where one lives I guess. My friend just rented a new apartment and his rent is over double what my mortage payments are. That's also money he is never getting back where as in my case my house is paid in about 15 years after which I own the damn thing and the monthly mortage payment drops off entirely. Excluding mortage, the montly cost of owning my house is 275€ which includes water and electricity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Excluding mortage, the montly cost of owning my house is 275€ which includes water and electricity.

That's also excluding regular maintenance or emergency repairs that a landlord would be (often reluctantly) responsible for. It is also possible to do big, expensive, necessary renovations on a house and have it hardly affect the value at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

My mortage payments for one year would cover all maintenance I've done to the house during the 8 years I've lived here including an entire bathroom remodel. Obviously someone less handy would need to hire someone to do the jobs I've done myself so that helps a little with the costs, but still. The maintenance costs for my house aren't even in the top 5 expenses I have.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not about what your mortgage payment is. Interest rates are significantly higher now. See how much the same house costs at the current price and interest rates. Most likely it's significantly higher now as both rates and prices have increased.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

As a homeowner what weighs me down most is insurance, by a large margin. It keeps increasing while the coverage decreases. It's a huge racket in my opinion

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago

Racket.

A racquet is what you hit your insurance adjuster with when you're tired of his racket.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I am confused, my thought process went like this:

So it's more expensive to own then rent?

Unless you own it and rent it out to others?

Nobody would be a landlord if a dwelling cost more to maintain then to rent out.

So something doesn't add up.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

Most landlords bought the place earlier when home prices and mortgage rates were lower, or they just own the place outright and don't make any mortgage payments.

This article is about choosing whether to buy at current rates or rent at current rates. If you bought a place 10 years ago for half the price it's worth now and a 2% interest rate then you're probably going to be paying less then renting

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I believe they are taking into account the cost to purchase these days since interest rates are higher, ergo high mortgage payments.

As someone else mentioned most landlords have locked in rates at this point. Not many new landlords.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I agree, and came in here to say the same thing. I think the data is being skewed by the fact that many (not all, of course) rental properties are subdivided into multiple units (or built that way in the first place). People commenting about how it's considering modern costs, well, they must not have read the first two sentences of the article:

On paper, owning a home is almost always more expensive than renting — about 14% more, on average, after factoring in expenses like insurance, taxes, and upkeep.

But the difference has grown much more extreme in recent years as just about all homeownership costs have ballooned.

The only way you can arrive at that 14% number is if you're averaging in multi-unit apartment buildings. Very few, if any, landlords are out there subsidizing their non-family tenants by charging less than the normal costs of ownership. If most landlords are losing money year over year, well... at that point just sell the property.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (4 children)

On paper, owning a home is almost always more expensive than renting — about 14% more, on average, after factoring in expenses like insurance, taxes, and upkeep.

I'd be interested in seeing how they arrived at the 14% number.

When I bought my first home a couple of decades ago I moved out of my 1 bedroom apartment which I was paying a monthly rent of $700/month into a small starter home with a mortgage of $1000/month. 20 years later that exact same apartment rents for $1350/month. All of the years I lived there my house payment never rose higher than the $1000/month mortgage payment while the rent on the apartment apparently continued to increase year over year. Meanwhile I ended up selling the starter home for $110,000 than my purchase prices nearly 20 years ago.

So is their 14% number just calculated on the first month of each (renting vs buying)?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Once you factor in things it mentions like insurance, taxes, upkeep along with others like a down payment then it's very easy to see where the 14% numbers comes from. Frankly, I'm surprised it's only 14%. There's a lot of additional and hidden costs with home ownership.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

The difference is those "costs" are going towards buying equity that you then get to keep. Maintaining a house is expensive but it is an asset that maintains value. This article really doesn't seem to understand that which shows a very basic misunderstanding of the wealth math that goes into home ownership.

Renting may be cheaper month to month but you're literally pouring that money down a black hole never to be seen in your hands again.

Granted, building equity doesn't matter when you're already have no cash paycheck-to-paycheck for either.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (9 children)

No, not all of them. Insurance, property tax, and maintenance do not go to equity.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Less relevant in a condo

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For me, I'm in a condo that we bought with a 15-year mortgage during the pandemic. My mortgage (including escrow/taxes and insurance) plus HOA fees is about $2100/month. My old apartment (including monthly pet fee) was more than that when I lived there. It's currently listed for $2500/month (big complex, not necessarily my unit).

I promise all y'all I'm not spending $400/month on homeowner-specific costs. And, I could reduce my monthly cost by moving to a 30-year mortgage instead of a 15-year mortgage.

Edit: looked up my old apartment again. Holy shit, it's listed for $2750, which doesn't include a pet fee.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Cost of materials and demand for contractors. Even if you DIY it, everything is 3x as expensive as it was before covid. The price of lumber never really went back to where it was before covid. Its clearly price gouging.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (13 children)

This ignores the difference after 5-10 years. Rent keeps going up.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

We livin in a new gilded age, bruh.

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