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Update: Downloading all archive.org metadata (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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Following up from my previous post.

I used the API at https://archive.org/developers/changes.html to enumerate all the item names in the archive. Currently there are over 256 million item names. However I went through a sample of them and noted the following:

Many do not have the .torrent available because some of the files are locked due to copyright concerns, like their music collection. Ex: https://archive.org/details/lp_le-sonate-per-pianoforte-vol-1_carl-maria-von-weber-dino-ciani_0
A lot of items have been removed from public access completely, and possibly deleted even on their storage backend. Ex: https://archive.org/details/0-5-1-0-hernan-hernandez

There are many, many items from the archive which have been removed. Much higher than I expected. If you have critical data, of course Internet Archive should never be your only backup.

I don't know the distribution of metadata and .torrent file sizes since i have not tried downloading them yet. It looks like it would require a lot of storage if there are many files or the content is huge (if only 50% of the items remain and the average .torrent + metadata is 20KB it would be over 2.5 TB to store). But on the other hand, the archive has a lot of random one off uploads that are not very big, so some metadata is 800 bytes and the torrent 3KB in those cases (only 640 GB to store if combined is 5 KB).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for the update. In my recent research and backing up stuff, there was numerous content that are no longer available. But the entries are there, only the files are not. I think some files appeared back at later time. My assumption was most data is coming back slowly from a backup, if they have any. Torrent and metadata files are generated automatically. That means if they are deleted, then they would be rebuild after some time, I assume. There is so much data, I have no idea how long this would take...

I will keep looking at some files again and again, to see if they come back. Otherwise we lost a lot of data and history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, exactly why I wanted to start this project. It's nice to have the Internet Archive but we cannot trust that content won't be taken down eventually. Even just storage costs might become an issue in the future for data that gets maybe 30 total views over many years. But it is nice to hear some of the data you were looking at is coming back.

Long term, it would be nice for a community of users to create a decentralized index of Internet Archive metadata so it cannot get taken down and has the torrent files of the content so people can share it and participate in the seeding for the content they care about. The Internet Archive might cooperate to make it easier to do this, for example by using Bittorrent v2 which would help us detect file duplication and not have to use padding files since all files are aligned to pieces in v2.

Currently there is little incentive for people to seed the Internet Archive content but no doubt it will become more important to do that in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If you store it in compressed chunks (or on a file system that supports compression, I guess), that should be a great deal smaller, being text only.

They supposedly never delete good stuff, just make it unavailable, as you said. Maybe we'll get them in a hundred or so years!

ArchiveTeam's uploads also don't have torrent files (anymore). Their wiki says that they disabled it to lighten the load on IA's servers, as creating a .torrent file for a 10+GB upload takes considerable time, especially if it has to be redone.