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Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.

His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.

Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.

Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.

"A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too," said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anyone that thinks that it's going to be only 'criminals' that get deported forget that crossing the border without documentation is a crime. Yeah, it's a misdemeanor, but it's still a crime, and the Trump administration is still going to deport them when they can.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Adjudicating whether or not someone is guilty of a crime, or in the US illegally, requires a trial. Doing that for millions of people all of a sudden within a system that’s already backed up by more than a year is completely impossible.

In other words, they are absolutely talking about deporting innocent people of the wrong ethnicity without any attempt at due process, and anyone who thinks different is living in a dream world. And then, once they’re done with that batch, they plan to move on to other classes of undesirables.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

requires a trial.

Not for people that are undocumented. People that are not in the us legally get hearings, but that's policy rather than law, IIRC. Due process gets a little weird here, because the process in question isn't a matter of law or the constitution.

Regardless - it's not going to go well for anyone that thinks that he doesn't mean them.

The denaturalization concept--stripping naturalized citizens of citizenship--is fa, far scarier than deportation. Once you can strip citizenship from a naturalized citizen, and once you've eliminated birthright citizenship, you've got a roadmap for stripping citizenship from anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They made "migrating" a crime, so, yeah, leopards...face...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

They will grab anyone they can get their hands on. Criminals will have the advantage that they know how to hide, and there are way more non-criminals, so Jose Average will be picked first, being the easiest target to fulfill the quota.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 21 hours ago

Aren't criminals already being deported if they are caught? He was clear that he is after immigrants (in some speeches illegal, but in some even legal)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Narrator: "It won't be."

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (3 children)

you all understand this is about racism, right? this is a giant dog whistle for rounding up non-white people and getting them the fuck out of their white nationalist dream.

its not about crime, or which immigrants are good or bad. its about kicking out the brown peoples. its easy to manipulate racist voters. they are all ignorant cowards.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

I live in a very white area and I'm not white. I'm telling people close to me I'm in fight or flight constantly. They tell me states or the supreme Court (wtf) will block trump, or I'm not an immigrant so I don't have to worry, or I'm somehow safer being surrounded by white people even though I stick out like a sore thumb. They feel safe and have bullshit hope and belief and can somehow forget how entirely subjugated black people have been through the entire hisory of America. I'm so fucking tired I don't even care some days. Can't wait to be asked what I'm thankful for this holiday.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (3 children)

i think there's so much discourse about this since Latin men voted, on the whole, for trump. there is a non zero number of people who, if trump implements his border control plan, voted for their own deportation

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

also, white people dont own a monopoly on racism. some of the most racist people i know are also 'legal' immigrants of a minority population.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

no one hates immigrants more than an immigrant who made it

i've heard that quote a few times. but i think it's on the whole sadder:

no one hates the poor more than a poor person who thinks they made it

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

Please stop spreading misinformation.

A supermajority of Latino voters voted for Kamala, including a majority of Latino men specifically.

https://unidosus.org/press-releases/hispanic-voters-back-harris-over-trump-by-a-62-37-margin-cite-economic-concerns-as-top-priorities/

The only groups that supported Trump with a majority are white people.

White people are the problem, not Hispanic and black voters.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-06/how-5-key-demographic-groups-helped-trump-win-the-2024-election

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (5 children)

All those Muslim folks who voted for Trump to "punish" Harris are in for a rude awakening. This isn't only about Hispanics.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Its only for the federal definition of criminal. That definition is extremely broad on a good day. Bad days are just gonna get broader

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm worried they're going to start raiding schools and daycares as well in order to force parents to turn themselves in or just to be malicious. A lot of children are going to be separated from their parents.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ummmmm Conservatives already see them as criminals because they are here "illegal". By default all undocumented migrants are criminals.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (8 children)

Trump also said he'd aggressively deport and sort through the mistakes later. He's going to deport legal immigrants too, and I very much doubt they'll let them back in without an extensive legal battle. Which will never move forward because he'll intentionally starve the court system (like congress already did at his order) so that realistically, they will never get through the system.

Great fucking job giving Nazis free reign, you stupid, stupid, evil fuckers. You had a choice to fight nazis when it was easy. Just a vote. But you chose nazis, one way or another.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago

The trump admin couldn't be bothered to keep the children and parents together while caging immigrants last time--why would anyone expect him to differentiate the legals from the illegals?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Very foolish people. Get ready to find a new home.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (7 children)

There's only 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. The Trump Administration has pledged to deport 20 million. Which means they are going to be expelling American citizens from their home as well. It's not just going to be criminals. It's going to be anyone whose skin tone they don't like.

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