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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through "diplomatic means" as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump's return to the White House.

In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.

The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means."

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What he likely means "ending the war by diplomatic means" is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it's efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn't any different from "Zelensky's peace plan" that can be summed up in demand Russia's unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.

I fear it's this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can't give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don't bend with wind.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine's coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he's forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

He's likely just going to flee to US or UK in the end.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So it looks like it's finally happening?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 13 hours ago

The best time to take ceasefire was before.

The second best time is now

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Shitlibs want endless war in Ukraine, till the last Ukrainian is dead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The US won't allow it, the same way they didn't allow it the previous times.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

The US is clearly starting to distance itself from project Ukraine now. That said, I don't expect that the US will alter its stance to simply admit that Russia has won. The most probable scenario is that Russia and the US will secretly negotiate a behind-the-scenes agreement, and the US will just cut aid to Ukraine while continuing to publicly engage in verbal posturing. The US admin will say that it has more pressing concerns with China and the Middle East, and it's now time for Europe to step up and assume a larger role. However, everyone knows that Europe is not any position to do so. Therefore, the conflict will likely end on Russian terms without the US openly admitting defeat. As an added bonus, the US will secure lucrative military contracts with European nations for decades to come.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.

This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.

We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

ask yourself in whose interest is it to continue this insane war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

(Military corporations in the US and Russia)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I absolutely disagree. Lots of history proves that we are still motivated by primal instincts of self preservation. It always comes down to that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

However, the way these primal instincts are expressed obviously changes based on the rules of societies we create. USSR and post-Soviet Russia serves as a perfect real world example. The same people who generally acted in the interest of society under socialist structures quickly learned how to become oligarchs under the capitalist set of rules. In effect, the way society is structured acts as a selection pressure for human behavior.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lots of history proves that humans behaved differently based on the economic system in place. Why do you believe slavery has largely been abolished? Did humans suddenly change their minds about it?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You’re thinking to high level. I’m talking about what actually drives us. Slavery has been largely abolished (but not really) because it’s out of fashion. We haven’t fundamentally changed the way we think. We’re far more alike our ancient ancestors than we think.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No, slavery was abolished because of technological progress and changes in Mode of Production. I'm thinking in a Historical Materialist perspective, there wasn't a random beaming of empathy in humanity.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Whatever, you’re missing the point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

No, I'm not. I am saying you are taking an abstract, idealist analysis that misses real historical motivations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

I wonder how Zionist Biden would feel -if it all- once Russia annexes parts of Ukraine. Probably how he felt about Israel annexing Palestinian and Syrian lands. His underling Blinken even defended Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights.

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