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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Remember, the Constitution is just a really old piece of paper if the people entrusted to enforce it choose to ignore it.

There is a non-zero chance that Trump could move to suspend the Constitution entirely, backed by a complicit Cabinet, Congress, Supreme Court and several state governments. And at that point, we would literally have to hope and pray that the rank-and-file military is on the side of the people, which is far, far from guaranteed. Because if they're not, you can claim your Constitutional rights all you want, but you'll be doing it with the other prisoners inside of whatever re-education camp you're assigned to.

Heck, there's a non-zero chance that the American voter just gives off a collective "meh" and just apathetically lets Trump seize total power. We just saw a few million people do just that.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You would think they would figure it out right? It's not a joke.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He won't stay in power. His appointment of incompetent sycophants will dismantle 250 years of American prosperity (maliciously or negligently, it doesn't matter) and it will be sold for parts to billionaires and foreign states.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

will dismantle 250 years of American prosperity

cough 1961 to 2008

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah; he’ll stay in power long enough for that.

But he’s 78 years old. When he’s supposed to step down in 2029, he’ll be almost 83.

The average life expectancy of men in the US is currently 73.

Based on historical data for people Trump’s age and health in the US, he’s likely to die of natural causes before he’s 86.

So the longest he could likely hang on for is one more term than he’s supposed to.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago (9 children)

He is 78, in awful health, and has no interest in a legacy or supporting a successor. He keeps everyone around him at odds and maintains enough infighting that no clear heir apparent could really show up.

So like, he really only will hold power long enough to make everything terrible. So we got that goin for us.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You know how long Caesar was dictator for life before he was assassinated? Less than a year.

But the damage was done, and Rome had a civil war over whether it would go back to being a Republic like it had been or if it would have an autocratic ruler. Obviously, the latter won out.

A lesson from history.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let's not lump Trump in with Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar was a war hero and a capable leader who's final crimes were giving out citizenship and housing.

Trump's final crimes will be giving all our state secrets to every other government in the world and obliterating our infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yet nobody chose Caesar, yet millions chose for Trump

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

He was elected as Dictator many times on a yearly basis and sometimes multiple times a year. He was so vastly popular the citizenry they killed the assassin's, hunted down an heir and put him in power.

Julius Ceasar and his follow on Agustus were insanely capable leaders that did great things for their country. The empire was so great and lasted twice the time America has, it's fall caused the Dark Ages.

Rome is a bad example here because technically the Dictatorship was good for them. Rome fell due to corruption that came in via enabling the Christian church to operate freely. Now that is a much better analog here that we enabled religious organizations to become tax free political action committees and uncapped their ability to influence government. This meant the evangelical grifters became the most powerful political entities in America.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We have so many lessons from history to pull from right now that you would need multiple professors to explain them all and yet they were all ignored.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

It will definitely be interesting to see at which stage each "well, maybe it won't be that bad" people realize that, yes. It will.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Long as his "forever" ends at or before 2027

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ben Shapiro is a hypocritical piece of shit. Sorry that might not be relevant.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Nah, that's always relevant

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Yeah, a "joke".

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

It wasn't a joke.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He’ll do what Putin did. Have Vance run as President, and run as his Vice-President. He’ll maintain control like Dick Cheney with Bush.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Trump's malignant narcissism won't let him be subordinate to someone else. So that idea is out.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That’s explicitly not allowed by the constitution. 12th amendment

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They. Do. Not. Care.

You still don't get this?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's already established that the 14th amendment doesn't apply to him, so why would the 12th?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You know as well as I do the 14th is very vague and up for interpreting what a traitor is. The partisan Supreme Court already decided he’s not a traitor. Let it go already.

The 12th is not vague and would need a super majority to override.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And you know as well as I do that my point is: the law doesn't apply to trump.

The only justice that might catch up with him is a heart attack from all the hamberders, but if that doesn't happen by 2028 the supreme court will find some excuse for why he should be able to get a third term and approve it with a 6-3 vote

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Supreme Court does not create laws. They interpret. When the law says “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States,” there is nothing for them to interpret. It’s there in black and white.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Yes, but the 28th Amendment written on this McDonald's napkin says he can totally do this.

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