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Yesterday, an unexpected admin post was made announcing that hexbear would be shutting down and recreating two of their most popular communities (a): the_dunk_tank and dredge_tank. For those who are not aware, those two are some of the most notorious comms in the threadiverse which routinely cause inter-lemmy drama (disclaimer, the deteriorating relations between our instance and hexbear and my own ban from hexbear was ultimately triggered by various posts in the_dunk_tank)

The stated reason was to promote more thoughtful discussions and to prevent a white cishet mindset which was apparently promoted by the content in those comms, according to the mods and admins.

Within a day 1.3 thousand comments were made with hexbear regulars upset at this decision and discussing within.

However, before this announcement, the top admin of hexbear posted in the cross-lemmy admin matrix chat urging other admins to close down their "drama communities" as well.

Hexbears caught wind of this and quickly accused the admin of duplicity, and having other motives instead of their stated ones. The admin in question as defense admitted that it was their attempt to manipulate other lemmy instance admins and it backfired on them

After a whole day of this, the main admin decided to step away from hexbear (a) , followed by more resignations (a)

In the midst of this, people realize another old-mod had recently come back after a 3-year hiatus, and now people start suspecting some correlation. That mod makes a public post (a) before shortly after deleting their account.

There's also smaller pieces of chaos ongoing, such as one admin, banning one of their alts "as a bit" using wording that they were not aware is misgendering ("fella") which caused other hexbears to pile on. Eventually that was resolved, and admins are asked to tone down the "bit doing" during this heated period.

This "struggle session" is still ongoing, with people are asking the resigned mod to come back , and other admins unbanning accounts which were getting banned left and right(a) but it seems those popular comms still remain shut down.

EDIT: Even lemmygrad is wondering what the hell is going on

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

WTF. @[email protected] is now suspecting me being behind some sockpuppets because they claim I leaked private messages

By which they mean the screenshot I crossposted in the OP above from their own comm's public comments!. That screenshot was in turn from a discussion in a public matrix chat for lemmy admins.

I am willing to give people the benefit of a doubt, this is some really fucking manipulative behavior and it's pissing me off!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

This is the most interesting development. it really exposes their finest member's mind's inner workings:

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

The plot thickens lmao

They seem to have a really messed up line of reasoning, just the claim that it was all a ploy to manipulate other instance admins was insane

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Well, time to leak private messages now right!

I'm so glad I'm not federated with hexbear & ml.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

Speaking personally, them stating they outright lied to other instance admins is just one step too much. Wielding our collaborative spirit for manipulative purposes just sows distrust, and is downright asocial behaviour. It's so out of line, that I honestly don't believe they actually lied. I think they were being earnest and only claimed they were being manipulative when caught by hexbears to save face. But if not, that's even worse.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago

Thus they lied either way? Either preemptively to other admins or after being caught by their own - so whichever may be worse, it's still lying either way.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is the action which made you realize that they are operating in bad faith? Not... gestures wildly

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I hope the instances burns. I'll never forget Hexbear users threatening my life. Fuck. Them.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Interestingly, some Hexbear users accused the francophone instance jlai.lu to be authoritarian when it opened a discussion, and a poll for the community to vote about defederating from Hexbear (a final decision has yet to be made).

Then an Hexbear admin unilaterally decided to defederate from jlai.lu claiming it had "reactionary" users and "no effort was made to address this" (no jlai.lu admin was contacted nor prompted about the existence of such users).

Then this happens, again with complete disregard for the community members.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago (10 children)

They did exactly the same thing with Lemmy.nz, threw a shit fit and defederated, after a certain someone made a post suggesting we defederate them.

It was a very "you can't fire me, I quit" thing.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago

Then an Hexbear admin unilaterally decided to defederate from jlai.lu claiming it had "reactionary" users and "no effort was made to address this" (no jlai.lu admin was contacted nor prompted about the existence of such users).

This is funny because it sort of mimics Russian, Chinese or North Korean politics to a degree as well. Everyone's authoritarian, fascists, Nazis - except for them, the beacon of democracy, freedom, and values.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ye, this thing keep happening. I was recently in a discussion where someone was accusing slrpnk of authoritarianism for blocking hexbear immediately and pointing to the various defed threads on hexbear and arguing therefore that hexbear is the example to follow for democratic decision taking.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Slrpnk, the instance full of hippies and anarchists, is authoritarian? Lol how do they come up with this shit

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago

It’s so funny coming from Hexbear users who simp for Putin and Xi

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's interesting that they would accuse anyone if being authoritarian when their own ideology is distinctly authoritarian.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I cannot, for the life of me, understand what the appeal of all of this is.

I think it's the same hunger for excitement that makes sports appeal to people, or leads people to create drama at work.

That was a ruse in an attempt to get the other admins to close their drama communities like the ones that harassed vegantheoryclub admins but I did not expect the hexbear sleuths to find that so not only did the ruse fail but I blew up any chance of doing another in the future with other lemmy admins while further alienating hexbear users.

It blows my mind that they thought this would work.

Hexbear users are alienated because they enjoy being annoying. That's it. That's the secret. They can always stop doing that, that's always allowed. Being dishonest isn't great, but there are a lot of people in authority on Lemmy that are dishonest, and it's mostly not a problem.

I also like the implication that it was the unmasking of the ruse that made it not work, instead of the fact that this is the stupidest ruse I've ever heard of.

Eventually that was resolved, and admins are asked to tone down the “bit doing” during this heated period.

Not in general, of course. It's only a problem right now during this heated period. I wonder what some other "bits" are.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I wonder what some other “bits” are.

Like a lot of other insular online communities, the humor has gone through multiple levels of "deep frying" that it becomes almost alien to an ousider looking in.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Honestly, this online "revolutionary" shit is really starting to give SLA vibes. When I joined lemmy, I really gave them a chance, even though I'm strictly against authoritarianism of any stripe. I eventually blocked the instance, not because of negative interactions, but because my feed would be filled with their shit talking communities and all the comments were just gigantic emojis. It was just out of control shit posting.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (17 children)

What did everyone have for breakfast this morning? My wife made biscuits and I ate one with butter and fresh strawberry jam. It was delicious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Black coffee. Nothing better than a smooth, fresh Americano in the morning.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I had some coffee, bupropion, and atomoxetine for breakfast. Mmmmmm!

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wanted to block their instance before it was possible in Lemmy, but thankfully my instance admin did. Nothing I've ever seen from them made me want to interact with them.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been following the drama too. Total misstep from the hexbear admins/mods. I didn't catch that TC69 deleted their account though, kind of a shame because they seemed to really stand up for trans people. I like hexbear, I agree with a lot of their points and like their community. I do not always agree with them, but I respect them in their fight and struggle. It's one of the only places I felt safe talking about my feelings about the recent US election because many people felt similar. I don't post or comment much on hexbear, I really should though. Hexbear did a survey that revealed a significant amount of their users were trans. I did not understand why the mods said white cis het men were the problem and was the majority of their userbase. I am a mixed bi cis latina, I know I do not have a hexbear account but I just wanted to point out that their assessment is wrong. I just hope they can recover from this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

They seem to have burnt a lot of their regulars with this one. I read two heart wrenching posts from ND people in their comms who were respectively devastated for being banned frivolously, or being stressed about potentially being banned frivolously. And I totally understand it as RSD is a common symptom and most of us are traumatized for being constantly excluded. It's part of the reason why I try to be careful with the banhammer because I know how much it affects ND people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yup. I blocked the instance after being on the receiving end of such a frivolous ban, together with bad faith modding, and having people jump down my throat a few too many times over miscommunication interpreted the worst possible ways to justify "dunking" so that they can look cool to people on the Internet.

What the admin did wrong was to let those comms exist in the first place. Not only can such behavior have deeper effects on those of us who are ND but, by allowing the comms, they helped to cultivate a toxic culture on the instance that is at the root of much of the inter-instance drama. They've been celebrating and rewarding dehumanizing and deriding others, which motivates others to create situations, whether through behaving poorly or tailoring context so that they too can be celebrated and part of the in-group.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ND is neurodivergent in this context I assume, what is RSD?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Goodness. I'm reading the description and this really hits close to a lot of things in my life. Even down to having ADHD and commonly being mistaken as bipolar disorder. (I casually took one of those online tests about it this morning because I've been wondering about my mood swings.) A lot of my "spirals" lately have been tied to perceived rejections.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (19 children)

Honestly I think this speaks to the value of having user-level blocking of instances rather than defederation. Maybe one day that will be incorporated into Lemmy (or similar).

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago

I’m so glad I don’t have to see their BS. Very happy being defederated.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago

The hexbear folks can have their clownshow, just keep it in the clowncar. Sounds like the drivers are tripping balls and the clowncar needs some maintenance.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I love that for them!

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