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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

People here are saying a lot that cars are convenient because there's more roads... like... let public transport run on those roads? People seem to literally be unable to realize that things are the way they are now solely because you refuse to believe they can be in any other way and don't solve problems because "it's not practical". Short termed thinking runs too much

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

People associated "freedom to go anywhere" with cars but it's a disguised argument. For the most part it's about not traveling with others. To a degree it's also about status symbol but for the most part they want to be alone and dictate their own schedule. If they really cared about freedom to move wherever they would get offroad motorcycles and never need to pay for parking again.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Because trains are massively inconvenient to anyone that isn't living in AND traveling to the most dense of urban areas.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Tautological. The proposal is to stop designing communities to make public transit massively inconvenient to them.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Simple - Tracks vs Road ratio.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s not remotely easier. Trains carriages are easy to build, but the infrastructure is not. You have to move and extend roads, demolish buildings, lay the rails, build bridges, if you go underground there will be lots of digging and engineering work to protect nearby buildings, and don’t forget about maintenance. It is only profitable when the population is high enough and people have the need to travel to set places en mass. Otherwise it is just fantasy. If you live your whole live around any city Center, I can understand that you are not going to drive . But plenty of people lived in a tiny town of population under 10000people .

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Please explain to me: how is it possible to build a new highway through Berlin but so damn hard to build a railway through rural area?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We 100% need more trains. But in rural America, we need cars to do anything.

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