this post was submitted on 30 Oct 2024
48 points (98.0% liked)

Fuck Cars

9803 readers
68 users here now

This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.

This community exists for the following reasons:

You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.

Rules

  1. Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn't choose car-centric life out of free will.

  2. No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don't use slurs. You can laugh at someone's fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.

  3. Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don't post literal car fucking.

  4. No traffic violence. Do not post depictions of traffic violence. NSFW or NSFL posts are not allowed. Gawking at crashes is not allowed. Be respectful to people who are a victim of traffic violence or otherwise traumatized by it. News articles about crashes and statistics about traffic violence are allowed. Glorifying traffic violence will get you banned.

  5. No reposts. Before sharing, check if your post isn't a repost. Reposts that add something new are fine. Reposts that are sharing content from somewhere else are fine too.

  6. No misinformation. Masks and vaccines save lives during a pandemic, climate change is real and anthropogenic - and denial of these and other established facts will get you banned. False or highly speculative titles will get your post deleted.

  7. No harassment. Posts that (may) cause harassment, dogpiling or brigading, intentionally or not, will be removed. Please do not post screenshots containing uncensored usernames. Actual harassment, dogpiling or brigading is a bannable offence.

Please report posts and comments that violate our rules.

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
all 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The history of "jaywalking" is pretty interesting.

Basically, it's a made-up thing designed to blame pedestrians for motorists being dangerous.

Kind of like when motorists "can't see" cyclists while looking down at their phones, because it's up to the cyclist to have on enough high-viz clothing, reflectors, bright lights, and a billboard saying "I'M HERE!!!!".

In most places, even when people think that jaywalking is illegal, it's actually not.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Cops around me regularly use jaywalking for fuckery too. I lived in a low income apartment directly across the street from a convenient store. Basically a stones throw from apartment property entrance to store front door. It wasn't a terribly busy road, it was four lanes and did get traffic, but it was pretty easy to find breaks in the flow and cross.

To get from the apartment to the store legally, you had to walk nearly a quarter mile (400m) to the nearest cross walk, cross, then another quarter mile back to the storefront.

Police would post up outside at that store and write jaywalking tickets all day for anyone that didn't know better. I watched those tickets escalate into detainment and occasionally searches and arrests if they argued with the officer about it.

Edit: of course if you had a car, you could just drive across the street to the store. No problem with that!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What you describe is really common, and it uses "jaywalking" as a weapon to target minorities and those in low-income neighbourhoods.

On the podcast "The War on Cars", this topic came up with examples showing how jaywalking becomes an excuse to target blacks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Crazy.. I've always suspected it was some kind of targeted BS. They spend money to pay a cop to sit there all day and ticket broke people with $150 fees, when they could paint a ped crosswalk and make the store easy to access. It felt designed to be actively hostile to pedestrians. And of course there's always tenats moving in and out, constant source of new ppl that didn't know how strict they are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How about a bicycle, would crossing the street with a bicycle be legal?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Kind of like when motorists "can't see" cyclists while looking down at their phones, because it's up to the cyclist to have on enough high-viz clothing, reflectors, bright lights, and a billboard saying "I'M HERE!!!!".

Tbf, you'll still want these to ..not die regardless of the legal consequences.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do, but in reality, It doesn't seem to matter what cyclists do or wear. If someone driving a car (or large SUV) isn't paying attention, they won't see you.

In countries where cycling is taken seriously, their lights are not bright (to meet standards) and you don't see anyone in high-viz gear.

Blaming cyclists for something a motorist failed to do seems to be a uniquely North American thing. Even the way our news gets reported seems to always word things in a way that puts the cyclist (the victim) in the wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Blaming cyclists for something a motorist failed to do seems to be a uniquely North American thing.

I can tell you that it's also very much a thing in many parts of Europe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Argh. Was it always like that, or is this recent?