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A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump. Palestinian lives don't matter to Trump, nor do they really matter to Harris; however in general, Harris will be better for Americans than Trump, so vote for Harris.

A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump.

Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.

Imagine if Nader didn't run. Imagine there was no Green Party candidate for US President.

Gore would have probably won, and America would have been the better for it. Probably no Iraq war, maybe not even a 911. As a result Iran probably wouldn't be as strong, and Putin probably would have less to legitimately oppose about the US, and would himself be seen as less legitimate—indeed Ukraine might still be whole today.

A new Green deal would probably be in full swing.

Granted, Harris doesn't really care about Palestinians, and some elements of the Democratic party care even less; but Trump cares even less than Harris, and what he will do to the US will be worse.

So while Israel massacres civilians and steals more land, at least under Harris American women would still more easily get abortions, we will have fewer TGs committing suicide (maybe), and health care will be a little more universal.

Also with the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, the Big 3 will be able to better produce good inexpensive cars (as they've been at least somewhat intending these past several decades), and fascism will have less of a hold on the US.

Therefore: vote for Harris.

If you are a progressive: vote for Harris.

If you are an environmentalist: vote for Harris.

If you are a libertarian: vote for Harris.

If you support voting reforms such as proportional representation, rank balloting, the abolition of the Electoral College, and/or more political diversity: vote for Harris.

If you are nauseated at the idea of voting for Harris: take a barf bag with you while you vote for Harris.

If you are a Palestinian-American who has a relative who was injured, maimed, or even murdered, in Gaza, you should still vote for Harris, because again, Trump doesn't care about them either, but at least you, as an American citizen, will get a better deal Harris than under Trump.

(I'm not entirely sure if I agree with all the above, but I find it hard to refute.)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This issue is far more Nuance then this post would have you believe...

Before I go on let me say I'm voting blue and want Democrats to win.

But if the only support you are willing to show our Palestinian and Arab brothers and sisters are these half hearted, backhanded, and condescending social media posts about how you know what's best. Well, you are in for a rude awakening. People that actually care about genicide will just stay home on election day.

These comments and posts do nothing but prove we don't care about each other, unless it personally effects us in some way. If you really care get off you ass and actual help the Palestinian and Arab communities! the least you can do is call your federal and state senators daily to demand they publicly condemn Israel and the IDF and divest from all institutions that give money to them. But no these posts and comments will get Palestinians and Arabs on our side? This is what conservatives do. We are better than this.

The most you should be doing is calling your senators, marching with anti zionest, getting partitions, and getting involved with the Palestinian and Arab communities to help. Show them the blue base cares and won't abandon them the moment Harris or Trump is in office. I have Palestinian friends and they would spit in your face if you said this kind of bullshit to their face because of how absurd it is. Some comments call them selfish for people caring about the genicide of their friends and family and saying Trump would be worse. Ya no shit, but it wasn't Trump that enabled the killing of 40k people in the last 12 months. That's not accounting for the Yemen deaths we the democrats have enabled. You should be more mad at your own parties actions as it's your vote that current has blood on it.

All I'm saying is these posts and comments aren't helping anyone. Get involved. Don't just post behind a screen and expect people to see the light. If we don't care why should they?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 hours ago

I'm Canadian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Canada

We have a Liberal leader who is about as useless on this issue as Biden and Harris, a Conservative leader who's a Trump-wannabe, an NDP leader who wants Canada to recognize Palestine, a BQ leader who might have similar sentiments, and 2 Greens who might be less pro-Palestinian than the NDP.

I also know a Palestinian. He's a good man. I don't think I ever talked about politics with him as I think he has a long enough row to hoe as it is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yeah so I got downvoted for pointing out Michigan only got gerrymandering removed because it was a non partisan demand introduced via petition, and even then it took until 2020 to be passed as law because both parties fought back until the dems gave in when they realized it would help them win for the next election. And yes I still voted blue and I also voted for that measure.

Not only does this failure of a post completely ignore how people react to policy, it actually claims that the big 3 OEMs will manufacture cars worth a damn, let alone be inexpensive, which everyone in ~~Detroit~~ SE Michigan, regardless of their political affiliation, will tell you is a load of horseshit.

So I will be sitting here watching you fools do a repeat of 2016 since evidently no one learned from their mistakes.

Been saying Michigan will be red since last year just over the basic demand of maybe not funding a genocide.

I'm sure after no one believed Clinton's liberal shilling, people will definitely believe in Harris's local policies with her excellent history of state prosecutor.

If Harris loses, the first thing the DNC and all you corporate shills will do is blame 3rd party voting and not actually the fact that they refused to meet constituents' demands. No one out here is voting 3rd party because they think they're going to win.

The whole purpose of a Democracy is that you should be able to utilize your voting power to demand significant change. Harris already blew off the uncommitted movement, which means that:

  • She thinks she can win without several millions of voters
  • She has no issue losing to Trump if it means keeping Israel happy

At least a seasoned politician would try to maximize appeal if he/she knew their opponent was dangerous if he wins.

Flailing and talking about how Trump would be worse at the same time as willingly ignoring a significant portion of voters is not the marking of a quality campaign nor candidate. It only makes Trump sound less severe, and Harris sound more useless.


I can't even imagine actually walking up to a Palestinian American with this argument in hand. Best case you get shoved away. Worst case scenario you get socked in the jaw.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I just got a call from "the spoiler effect" and it says you trying to give 3rd parties credit for all the hard work it and FPTP voting have been doing to ensure people's voices aren't heard.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Please watch the most important political video in the history of youtube:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

It even has cute jungle animals!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I just watched it.

(It's 6:30 long.)

It's a good video. 🙂

[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

I am fucking sick and tired of all these terminally-naive ideologues trying to destroy all of us with their purity-test-turned-suicide-pact.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

If my only choice is one person that I don't like, who nobody voted for in the primaries, then I question the assumption that I had a choice at all. Democracy? Is it?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

First past the post needs to die. I challenge you to look up which politicians have tried to fix it, and which side of the current two-sided political climate they were on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

or at least add something like a run-off.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

So many easy ways to fix it. Politicians just haven't been interested, and it's a shame we have to focus on things like the culture war, wealth divide, and etc vs just fixing our outdated political system. Especially in a republic that considers itself to be the bastion of democracy and freedom :/

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