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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

To convince Greens or Carlins (people who don't vote because the Democrats are still too evil from their point-of-view) to vote for Democrats, you need to understand yourself and them. Once you do that, you'll be able to offer more convincing arguments to support your position.

If you're voting for Democrats, you possibly agree with the following scale of evilness:

  • 10 Hitler
  • 9 Stalin
  • 8.5 Trump
  • 8 Republicans and people who vote for them
  • 7
  • 6
  • ~5-3 elected Democratic party members
  • 2
  • 1 you
  • 0 Jesus

The thing is that Greens and Carlins see the world very differently:

  • 10 people making the biosphere unlivable thru overpopulation
  • 9 factory farmers and commercial fishing companies
  • 8
  • 7 Hitler, Stalin
  • 6
  • 5 George W. Bush, Putin
  • 4 Trump, Republicans, and people who vote for them
  • 3 Gore, Obama, Democrats, and people who vote for them
  • 2
  • 1 Sanders
  • 0
  • -1
  • -2
  • -3
  • -4
  • -5
  • -6
  • -7 them
  • -8
  • -9
  • -10

The Greens' and Carlins' priorities are very different. They may think that choosing to make the biosphere unlivable is the worst thing you can do, because without a biosphere that supports life, nothing else matters.

They may think that torturing trillions of fish to death every year, and enslaving hundreds of billions of animals in torturous conditions every year, is worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined. They think that supporting even a single genocide is bad.

They may think that given the choice between popular Hitler, popular Stalin, and unpopular Gandhi; they'd rather vote for Gandhi than the popular lesser evil, because that specific evil is omnicidally evil. It's better to vote for good and fail, than it is to vote for evil and succeed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (16 children)

For me its even simpler though. All of these logical shenanigans are the circular energy that fuels the myth around the unchangeable two party system. If people simply voted for the candidate based on their values and policy, literally everyone to a T, it would shatter the two party system into fragments, and we would have to do something to accommodate them.

Thats at least my theory, although I still voted Harris because in my case my vote is in a place that matters. I would say I'm about half and half happy and upset about it but thats the best I could manage with the circumstances.

I do think momentum is building though if we can continue it through the coming years.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Genuinely, why is everyone on lemmy a democrat? I'm actually tired of seeing these things come across my feed

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Neither decision will save medicare, social security, education or the middle class.

Harris will do what she can, same as Biden has, but neither has any effect on disinformation, bigotry, division or inequality beyond shaking their fingers in disapproval, if it even is disapproval and not just saving face for us.

Trump and his kind are a virus. I'm not saying there is no solution, but the current methods our society governs by aren't doing a solid job of dealing with it, to a point that they may even be making it worse by being too cowardly to put a foot down. They won't save America. They're as much a part of the corruption as the corruption. They'll only go as far as to protect themselves.

I don't make these predictions with any sort of supernatural foresight. It's what Biden and Obama did, it's what Harris will do, keep the seat warm until it's red again while the planet dies, respective kings and queens of the ashes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (7 children)

If you vote democrat no matter what they do (and voting in spite of the current regime committing a genocide communicates that you will do exactly that), they have no incentive to take your interests at heart, and will move in the direction of the interests of the highest bidder. And this is an observable effect: fairly consistently throughout the years (and this goes back to at least Clinton), the policies and positions of the dems are exactly those of the republicans four years ago, aside from some meaningless posturing and vibes. Look at where we are with the border wall for example, or the children in cages at the border (more now than under Trump), or abortion (FOUR years of a dem president, and nothing has been done, despite promises).

You vote blue no matter who people are flushing your democracy down the drain. For the love of god, make your vote count and vote for something for a change. Vote Jill Stein or Cornell West. Or if you like murdering tens of thousands of innocent children (as we've done under the Biden regime), vote Kamala "most lethal fighting force in the world" Harris. If you're lucky, you might be paying for the murder of Iranian children next.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago

Don't worry. I'm going to start rounding up the non-voters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

When you shit inside the skulls of your enemies, but they use that shit to form shitty opinions about life and politics :(

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