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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think that last bit of the article is really worth pointing out. They spent a decade and $100 billion building the International Space Station. And so far, they've spent what $1.6 billion on commercial space station stuff? Thats 1.6%. Clearly, that is not enough. But even if they went up by like 5x, that would still only be 8 billion or 8% of ISS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is "commercial space station stuff"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Giving private companies the funding they need to launch their own space station and then becoming a commercial customer of said space station.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As far as I understand, yeah.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So I gathered this much from your original comment. Now we’re at the point of what I’m asking: details?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/14053060

Haven-1 is scheduled to launch NET 2025, the Axiom orbital segment is NET 2026, Orbital Reef is targeting 2027, and Starlab is targeting 2028. Even if these schedules slip a couple years, they would still be ready in time for the ISS deorbit in (or after) 2030.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is it the end of days if NASA goes without a low-Earth orbit space station for several months or even years? One key commercial space official at the space agency, Phil McAlister, suggested that maybe it wouldn't be.

He's right, and I hate him for it :)

Expedition 1 arrived at the International Space Station on 2000-11-02. That's 59-and-a-bit days before[1] the start of the 21st Century. So whatever disappointments people may have about the 21st Century compared to their expectations, at least we can (currently) say there has been a continuous human presence in outer space for the entirety of it. Pretty cool!

Strikingly, it could easily be the case that there will never again be a time with humans only living on Earth. If that's because AGI kills us all in a decade, with any people in orbit / on the moon being the last to have their atoms repurposed, that's not ideal. But if it's because we spread out through the universe, and outlive our sun and even our galaxy, that could (potentially) be very cool indeed.

Perhaps everyone reading this either witnessed the start of, or was born during, humanity's Second Age!

Or perhaps the current period of continuous off-Earth habitation will finish around 2030 and all my attempts at profundity were a waste of time! After all I'm not sure how much I'd want NASA to spend just to maintain it.

Of course, the ISS isn't the only hope here. The Chinese space station might fill in any gaps after the ISS, although that would be a concern for other reasons (assuming China is still controlled by its communist party, with other parties banned). And then there's the moon. The Artemis Program in its current form won't bring about the start of a continuous presence on the moon by 2030. But I wouldn't put it past SpaceX to shake things up in that regard.

[1] - If you thought the 21st Century started at the start of 2000, see this or even this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Having a lab in orbit is SO much more scientifically useful than going to the moon again by reinventing the wheel-but-dumber. Unfortunately, it's not nearly as useful for political clout as dropping a few more flags. If only a fraction of the insane mountain of money for Artemis was being spent on a new station, we'd have one already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

No way! A moon base has the potential to be a refueling station for manned Mars missions.