To discuss how to grow and manage communities / magazines on Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed and Sublinks
Created this account so I could create the community. Decided on lemm.ee because my main account is on aussie.zone, which does not allow community creation (and limits its communities to things about Australia). Figured lemm.ee is better than lemmy.world due to the latter's performance/federation issues.
If you want game-related communities, I can create them for you on https://level-up.zone and make you a moderator.
(OT: this decision of only allowing users of an instance to create communities is one of the things that I dislike the most about Lemmy. I am seriously considering creating a separate service to let people request communities on instances without an account)
Oh neat. I've never even seen that instance before. I was thinking at some point I might get around to creating an aoe4 community too, and possibly creating an aoe2 one on a less controversial instance than the current [email protected] (and with a mod who's not inactive). But I've my hands full already so I won't be doing that too soon.
I'm confused, isn't that just a two-step version of the link I provided?
Mbin and others might have issues with Lemmy created links
But shouldn't the plain [email protected] be enough? Not sure about the link above, I've seen original lucifer post those before, never really investigated why
the target community may not exist with a direct link as youve posted.
when you push it through what seems to be a universal search url: /search?q=!community @ host . tld, it forces the remote host to create the community should it not already exist.
Oh wow, I didn't even realise you could do relative links like that in Lemmy.
It's a shame post IDs aren't globally unique so you could do something like that with individual posts.
It’s a shame post IDs aren’t globally unique so you could do something like that with individual posts.
As you can search for posts and find them in a similar way, that could actually work
the target community may not exist with a direct link as youve posted.
Indeed, I'm just used to refresh if it's the case, after the refresh the community is there. Interesting to see a link that does that on its own
Mbin user here, link in the OP kicks me to lemm.ee while originallucifer's link lets me find it on Mbin
Interesting, what about mine?
Yours also allows me to open it on Mbin.
OP's link is bad - they've created a direct link to the community on lemm.ee and named that link [email protected], rather than just typing [email protected]. Lemmy and PieFed can both handle the link, but it seems that Mbin is struggling with it.
A proper ! link should work on Mbin - you've previously said that Mbin has been configured to point ! links to '/search?', so an unknown community gets resolved.
As for solving the problem of Lemmy throwing a generic error page whilst its backend is busy resolving unknown communities, that's a UX issue for the devs to fix, or for the users to know that they need to press 'refresh'.
That both Mbin and Lemmy have a '/search' endpoint is more of a coincidence than anything - I don't think it can be relied upon to provide some kind of universal 'fediverse link' (and I'm not just saying that because PieFed has no clue what to do with your link!)
OP’s link is bad - they’ve created a direct link to the community on lemm.ee and named that link [email protected], rather than just typing [email protected].
That's how Lemmy does by default if you use the autocompletion built in the interface.
Probably something to raise to the devs
they’ve created a direct link to the community on lemm.ee and named that link [email protected], rather than just typing [email protected]
I just used the autocomplete built into Lemmy after typing !aom. It works just fine. If I click it on this account it takes me to https://lemm.ee/c/aom, if I click it on my main account it takes me to https://aussie.zone/c/[email protected]. Which is the desired behaviour.
Yeah, sorry, Blaze explained after how it happens, so my comment was more critical than it should have been. Anyway, the point of all this extra chat on what should just be some community promo, was that the link format that - it turns out - Lemmy autogens is fine for you, and fine for me, but not for MBIN users (who's solution seems to be proposing an entirely different and untested link format for everyone else to use)
Do you want the Fediverse to be a soup kitchen or do you want to be as good as of a dining experience as it can be?
Feel free to advocate for your vision as much as you like, but it seems the audience here isn't very receptive.
You are avoiding a question and using "other people" as a distraction, instead of commiting yourself to an opinion.
It is not the first time that you do that. Why?
I'm not, you are the one trying to present me as if I'm not discussing in good faith.
My point is that, if people were receptive to your proposition (I know you posted about Communick in the past), they would subscribe to it, and then we wouldn't have the conversation we had in the last few days.
Based on your comments and the stats on your flagship instance, it doesn't seem to be the case, which is why I said that the audience doesn't seem very receptive.
Seems quite logical to me, and nothing my personal opinion has any impact on.
The question you are evading is simple: is your vision for the Fediverse something where everyone will be only working altruistically and that we should serve users who are purely out of a sense of community/charity (the soup kitchen model) or do you think there is value in paying professionals their market rate in order to get a service with better support, integrate new features and will have a vested interest in providing a superior experience (the "people go to restaurants and pay more than the cost of the food" model)?
Haven't we discussed this question at length recently?
You actually never answered my last comment, which answers tour question, so maybe you missed it: https://feddit.org/comment/1871850
You have a lengthy comment indeed, but it does not mean that you are answering the question I made: do you think that the Fediverse can be "successful" only via "pure" communal efforts, or do you think that it needs professionals to work on it and who should be properly appraised - ii.e, be paid according to market rate?
Taking 30$ per year as a reference point as this is your pricing on Communick (I know it also involves Mastodon and Matrix, but there is no Lemmy only package anymore, so that's the only option), this is too high and goes against the philosophy of free software.
Does your Linux distribution ask you for a yearly fee for development and maintenance costs?
Does F-droid ask you for a yearly fee?
Grayjay?
On the other hand, some people paid for Sync, so there is still an part of the Lemmy population who is ready to pay for software, but Sync is a polished product they knew they could trust quality wise.
And for the record, I contributed to Pixelfed and Mastodon development (hundreds of euros per year) out of my own pocket regardless of Communick. I do it not because I have to, but because I believe that developers of free projects should be valued by their efforts and that the only way we can get rid of ad-based, predatory social media platforms is by putting our money where our mouths are.
You are still not answering the question!
Forget about Communick or my offer specifically: I am asking if you think that there is any value in paying for a service based on open standards.
I am not asking what you think of my pricing (though if your excuse is that $29 for the bundle is too much, you could say say what price point would interest you)
I am not asking you to compare the business of charging for a service (hosting) vs a product (client apps).
I am not asking you to pay for everything that is free (Linux developers are mostly employed by profit-driven companies who use Linux as a way to commoditize their complements). I am asking you whether you see the value of supporting the work of developers yourself instead of couching under the "community effort" excuse.
I am asking you to reveal your preferences and so far all I am seeing is you making an extraordinary effort to avoid saying "I refuse to pay for something that is not mandatory, even if my support could be beneficial to everyone"
I am asking if you think that there is any value in paying for a service based on open standards.
Of course there is, but that's not the only parameter to take into account here.
First, as we have discussed already, and based on the other thread about instance costs, the vast majority of admins seem okay with the "donations cover the hosting costs" approach. There was only one other person who shared your view that "sysadmin time should also be paid rather than be volunteering". Users seem to be okay with it too, otherwise they would migrate to your service.
The other main parameter is how much money people are ready to dedicate to funding Fediverse projects.
In the EU, 21% of people are at risk of poverty or social exclusion.
House prices up by 47% in the EU between 2010 and 2022
People have other priorities than funding Fediverse projects.
It comes back to your comment about Lemmy users "holding a shiny new iPhone". We do not have data on that, but based on the hate the Apple users gets every time they post iPhone users are probably in the minority.
you making an extraordinary effort to avoid saying “I refuse to pay for something that is not mandatory, even if my support could be beneficial to everyone”
I don't even know why you are trying to make me feel guilty about not paying "enough" (according to you) for the Fediverse.
I'm very sorry, but there are a lot of other issues I would rather dedicate my money with a higher priority than the Fediverse (besides hosting costs, as we discussed already, I want to keep the instances alive). From the money I dedicate to donations, I usually support some local communities initiatives in my area, as well as some global programs (e.g. Doctors Without Borders, Action Against Hunger).
Again, if you can find people who want to get into your prepaid subscription service to access Lemmy, and you can use that to pay for your sysadmin time and some development for the software, that's great.
But I personally have other priorities. And I don't even know why are you asking for how I dedicate my money.
I didn't know they were making a new Age of Mythology game! That's awesome!
It's not so much a new game as a remaster of the old game. Back in like 2016 they announced they were making Age of Empires 4 and also "Definitive Editions" of 1, 2, and 3. The DEs came out in 2018, 2019, and 2020, and AoE2 and 3 DE were both really good and successful. Then a couple of years ago they announced Age of Mythology was getting a similar treatment. It came out for people who ordered the Premium Edition last Wednesday, and releases to the general audience tomorrow. So far it's been a massive success critically both in mainstream gaming press and with Age players.
edit: AoE2 DE did a fantastic job of unifying disparate communities. Before it, most low-level casuals played on the 2013 HD edition and most high-level and pro players played on Voobly with fan patches based on the original CD version of the game. After DE, everyone plays DE. The same seems to be coming true for AoM. Previously there was a split between Voobly and the 2014 "Extended Edition" (which also included some very controversial patches around 2016 to coincide with an equally-controversial expansion DLC). But already it seems as though people are embracing the "Retold" edition of the game, whether casual or pro.