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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice?

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine running Guido out of his own fucking project

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine running Guido out of his own fucking project

Imagine running Guido out of Python and still have the gall to argue they are acting on Python's best interests.

What a bunch of self-serving fools.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well, in fairness imagine if Guido did become a racist sexist arsehole. I don't think he should be immune.

But clearly this situation is not right.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

It looks like one comment was temporarily hidden, by an automod I'm guessing. That hardly qualifies as "running someone out". He even continues to engage in the discussion a few comments later.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Searching some of these Python Community discussions separately and reading how they handled these bumps in the road as a group has actually increased my confidence in that group as a whole:

https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-core-developer/60250

https://discuss.python.org/t/calling-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence/61557

On the other hand, the three month suspension of Tim Peters that started it all and how that was handled sounds problematic (the second half of the essay addresses each point from the original banning rationale in detail):

https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestration-of-tim

Finally, Chris McDonough (the author of the above article) drawing attention to valid criticism of his own defense of Tim Peters is a blueberry on top of the cherry on the cake:

https://chattingdarkly.org/@chrism/113020098915125686

I hope the community ends up stronger as a result of this.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

valid criticism of his own defense

To be clear that post makes a valid point (don't defend people just because they seem nice or dedicated or whatever), but it isn't a valid criticism of Chris's post because he didn't do that.

He did say Tim is nice and dedicated etc. etc. but he also went through the specific crimes that Tim was supposed to have committed and refuted them.

I read a load of Tim's comments and this was definitely a case of the CoC people getting annoyed with someone who disagreed with them and wouldn't give up. There wasn't anything remotely ban-worthy.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

"Dismissing unacceptable behavior of others as a 'neurodivergent' trait, which is problematic because it creates a stereotype that neurodivergent people are hard to interact with and need special treatment.

I'll show you how difficult it is to work with neurodivergent people!

/* SLAMS BAN HAMMER /*

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Boy, does that group sound like the ultimate bunch of social climbers trying to make a living out of someone else's work.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think that's a little too simplistic. I definitely agree that "we can't show you the evidence of why we made this decision but trust us" isn't going to instill confidence in the community, but it's not like the steering council is some unrelated board of executives. They're all core developers, theoretically chosen for their dedication and contributions to Python as a whole, and it seems their granted power has made them anxious about showing favoritism among the most seasoned at the expense of upholding the community guidelines that keep the Python community a positive and welcoming place.

I think a flawed decision was made, or at least the way it was presented was flawed, and that should be considered for the next election. Maybe the council does need to be totally overhauled, that's a valid position. But this is their work, too, and imply they have no skin in the game is disingenuous.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Interesting perspective. It implies that:

  1. The value of their policy work is significantly below the technical community's contributions value
  2. There is perceived status to be gained by climbing this particular social ladder.

I neither agree or disagree fully, but I believe there is value in good governance of large and diverse projects.

Whether their governance is good is what this whole kerfuffle is all about.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

It implies that the value of their policy work is significantly below...

It's always safe to assume that value to be negative unless proven otherwise actually.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The bureaucrats have taken control!

This is real Soviet style reality denial.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

guess its time for Guido to make a new software project, maybe call it Monty.

With blackjack, and hook.....

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

I already helped build a language Monte based on Python and E. Guido isn't invited, because he doesn't understand capabilities; I've had dinner with him before, and he's a nice guy but not really deep into theory.

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