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An overdue blog post about the finances and other news from the .world

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[–] [email protected] 194 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm actually surprised how low the server costs are. Granted, the userbase is not that large, but it makes me optimistic that Lemmy.world survives long-time.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lemmy forever for a 1000 years

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Lemmy and rust all the time always for 1000’s of years

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Would have expected the asset hosting to be higher, given the number of images (both the original + the resized thumbnails etc)

[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Legendary. Didn't realize the Lemmy world team was also running Mastodon and Firefish instances. Much love for your determined support!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't forget our discord server!

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Non profit foundation is awesome to see. It will probably the general structure of all significant long lasting institutions on the Fedi.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I might be out of the loop so I'm genuinely curious - what's wrong with Cloudflare?

The post mentions several times that it isn't popular and that an alternative will be found.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the fear of centralization, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong!).

Seeing that the whole point of federation is to decentralize the web, putting everything under the Cloudflare umbrella goes against this philosophy.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

The federation philosophy is not going to hold up when users centralize themselves on an instance, requiring that instance to seek out things like Cloudflare just to bare the weight.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's about Cloudflare becoming a single point of failure for large parts of the internet?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Iirc it can break federation

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

I'm loving the transparency around here. 👍

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Y'all are wonderful. Thanks for your dedicated effort.

I also appreciated your shout-out to other instances that are active cooperating with .world to make Lemmy a better place. Teamwork makes the dream work.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The idea of a non-profit holding sounds great, but what about collateral damage if shit really hit the fan? Would it not be smarter to have a separate entity for each platform? They could all have essentially the same statutes, boards, directors etc. etc., so in case if one really got under heavy fire, the others wouldn't be affected? I know it means more admin work and probably also requires some governing policies with regards to the funding distribution, but might be cleaner in the end.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is absolutely the correct thing to do. Do not place all your eggs in one legal basket.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Cheers for the numbers, always good to see transparency for income and expenses

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I wonder why Mastodon.world has done so comparatively poorly. I also wonder if Mastodon could be more integrated with Lemmy would that improve things. As awful as twitter is these days, the way it embeds so easily into other content, which lets you click straight to its comments is invaluable. No doubt its on Elon's list of things to ruin, and he'll get around to it eventually.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

mastodon.social dominates for one simple reason. The Mastodon gGmbH app now defaults to mastodon.social sign ups.

Selecting instances was confusing the shit out of people, so they relented and simplified the signup process.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What is gGmbH?

The gGmbH is a non-profit company with limited liability under German law. In German this is gemeinnützige Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung – gGmbH for short. Here 'non-profit' (gemeinnützig) means that the purpose of the company is to benefit the common good.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's unfortunate.

Instead of requiring an insurance selection or defaulting to one specific instance, perhaps they could have a handful of moderate/large instances that the app randomly selects between when a user signs up. That would spread out the signups from people who don't understand the instances.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yes, that's the plan. But determining which instances are suitable isn't easy.. I'll ask them what's the status on this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I also wonder if Mastodon could be more integrated with Lemmy would that improve things.

This won't happen. The Lemmy dev does not want Mastodon to be integrated into Lemmy. They say that plenty of other fediverse software already has this implemented, and that Lemmy doesn't need to reinvent what other software does.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The Lemmy dev does not want Mastodon to be integrated into Lemmy.

Something tells me this isn't the last word on the issue. If the fediverse concept is to succeed, then its two (current) largest players need to have some cross-functionality.

Perhaps the fediverse will get big enough that third-party developers will step in to fix this. Twitter & Reddit both benefitted hugely from the extra functionality third-party developers enhanced both platforms with.

Its anathema to the whole concept of the fediverse that one person - a lemmy dev - gets to decide something so important.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Something tells me this isn’t the last word on the issue. If the fediverse concept is to succeed, then its two (current) largest players need to have some cross-functionality.

I strongly disagree here. They might be using the same protocol, but the user expectations are something completely different. I've tried mastodon and really don't get the appeal, just like I never understood why people want something like Twitter. And I'm sure there are some Mastodon users out there who can't be bothered about Lemmy.

Forcing them into one common framework feels like alienating both to me.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want that you can check out Kbin. It's like Lemmy but also has a microblogging section that relatively flawlessly integrates mastodon content.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

i’m thrilled to see that the donations are letting this be somewhat self sustaining. obviously a lot of unpaid volunteering going into this so not quite a self sustaining non profit, but it’s got all the promising signs

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great work! Although I'm far too busy with other stuff I'd love to be able to contribute some Terraform when and where I can. Maybe you could put some stuff in a public repo so we might contribute?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The stuff in our repo is quite sensitive, so probably won't ever be public. If your interested in helping. Feel free to fill out a application. It's in the side bar on the home page. 😎

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright I will. Just didn't want to commit to it and then ending up having zero time.

In my experience usually your sensitive stuff should be hidden in secrets so public repos usually shouldn't be too much of a hassle.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Thank you for all the work you guys do! Glad to see server expenses are coming in under budget of the donations!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Love it! I’m happy to keep supporting this endeavor and community.

So from one sysadmin to another great job! Keep it up and I can’t wait to see where this goes! 🍻

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