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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Interesting. Do they point to arch repos or provide their own like Manjaro? I haven't thought about a rolling release atomic distro before.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Just the Arch repos with an additional repository (similar to EndeavourOS), so AUR packages do work as intended and are in fact officially supported.

(disclaimer: blendOS dev here)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Neat!

Also, the full disclosure of association/potential bias is absolutely appreciated. 🍻

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I used to Arch, now I'm on ublue-kinoite with an Arch distrobox. Is there a reason to consider switching? (actual genuine question, not trolling)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Just wanted to add that OpenSUSE MicroOS uses Tumbleweed repos by default, so I'm fairly sure that's an atomic rolling release too. Not 100% sure, though.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sweet, been waiting for this one. I wonder how it will compare to NixOS or Kinoite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

*Fedora Atomic

Its a huge bundle of tons of variants, likely 40 or so, if you take everything that uBlue, wayblue and secureblue produce

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And that's without counting the roll-your-own variants. uBlue has been a remarkable project.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
  • Fedora Atomic has been a remarkable project ;D

Fedora builds the container images, even though they themselves use OSTree remotes. There is a Change Proposal to change to them.

This means they continuously build the container images without even using them!

Only because of that the standard container workflow actions (they use an Ubuntu container!) even work. But for sure their tooling is very useful

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (13 children)

I just wanted to say this is all very confusing. I barely installed Ubuntu on my laptop as a daily driver mostly due to the MS Recall debacle. It's fine, it's great. However, reading all the Linux Lemmy posts makes me feel like I'll never understand. I know all these words and what they mean, just not in an OS context.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago

Think about it this way: going onto Linux communities and listening to what people say can be like listening to car mechanics chat.

But do you need to know what all of that stuff means to drive your car? Nah. But that info could come in handy, if you wanted to modify your car or something like that.

You don't need to know what Wayland/X11, PipeWire, GTK4/Qt6, or anything like that is, in much the same way you don't need to know what PowerShell, Event Viewer, NT kernel, or registry are to use Windows.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Welcome to the Linux community. :)

You will probably never understand everything about Linux and all of its included and associated systems. That's completely fine, no one does! That's why we are many, and it's what asking for advice or help is for. You can just learn whatever interests you at your own pace, and know that there will always be interesting things you haven't seen yet.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

You probably think of yourself as pretty knowledgeable regarding Windows, but have you ever studied for a Microsoft certification exam? This in depth knowledge is not something the average user needs for his daily usage, but can be interesting to read/know.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Don't sweat it. There were people doing advanced things in Windows that would probably have blown your mind as well. It's just that most people that use Linux just enjoy tinkering for the sake of tinkering so it's more visible, and Linux lends itself to people doing weird and wonderful things never envisioned by it's creators.

You just started on the road, where you stop is entirely up to you. Just know that the view is way more interesting going this route. Take a few pictures on the way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

It's fine you don't have to understand any of these just use the computer normally and you're good

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago
  • repeat the “Don’t sweat it.”
  • Ubuntu is a perfectly fine starting point (the other “beginner distro” that’s commonly recommended is LinuxMint)
  • »AFTER« you become comfortable with what you have:
    • try familiarizing yourself with the command line
    • get overwhelmed with all the distro choices available
      • get bitten by the distro-hopping bug (“Gotta try them all!”)
        • and then try Distrobox (“ALL the distros at once!”)
  • »THEN« take a look at immutable distros
    • “immutable distro” is a catch-all term that embraces several concepts
      • immutable – the root filesystem is set to read-only – makes it harder to mess up your system
      • declarative – your hardware and packages and configs are declared in a master configuration file
      • atomic / transactional – updates are checked as they’re applied, if it fails, it gets rolled back to a previous “safe state”
      • container / sandbox – ex. Flatpak or Docker or OCI – apps are isolated in their own sandbox and not allowed to mess up anything else
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How does it compare to NixOS rolling?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't think that this one is as reproducible and declarative as NixOS or Guix.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

This is just NixOS with extra steps

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (8 children)

A very dumb question probably, but I'm new to using Linux so I lack a lot of understanding: I'm on Bazzite atm. Would there be a simple way to switch to blend OS without wiping everything? Like a rebase? Probably not but I figured it's worth a shot to ask xD

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No such thing, we all start somewhere! :)

Anyway, you could in fact do that if you were thinking of trying out other Fedora Atomic images such as Silverblue and whatnot (see also the ublue page listing tons of others, including your bazzite!). This uses different tooling, so unfortunately not in this case.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ooh, not just yet (in essence, it’d be hard to migrate over from the system used in Fedora Atomic to that used by blendOS) :( We’re working on a migration script for users from regular ole’ Arch Linux, though.

(disclaimer: blendOS dev here)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Ah well, not the first time I changed distro xD I'll make some space on my drive and test it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

bazzite is fedora based? If so, your filesystem is btrfs and your /home is a subvolume, same as your / (root). you can install a new operating system in a btrfs subvolume (e.g. /blendosroot), then have systemd-boot or grub mount it as root and mount your existing home from it.

sadly, there's no noob-friendly way to achieve this, but if you're adventurous, you have enough search terms to make it happen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I will jump into that rabbit hole, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This use case would be covered by bootc, but BlendOS doesn’t have support by the looks of it atm

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm new too but I separated by root and home partitions this last install to try and allow that.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not super clear on what being declarative and atomic means in an OS context. Does it mean there's a file describing what packages are installed, kind of like nix?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am no expert, please correct me if I’m wrong

From what I understand, it’s like Nix but Arch based. The /system.yaml file contains all of the packages installed on the system.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Also it’s the worst when you download an operating system and you realize that it’s mutable

You’re like “oh no I did not want the mutable one I wanted the immutable one”

I know what all words mean

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's new to me, I think it's saying that your system is built up by you declaring what you want in a file, a single source that everything comes from.

It's atomic because each action the system takes is carefully completed rather than bailing out and requiring you to fix something.

It's immutable meaning you declare how you want things to be set up and then critical changes stem from those declarations and nothing else. You would obviously generate preferences, save data, etc. but the files that make the system / packages work are carefully locked.

It's like the concept of flatpaks + structured system defining + modern common sense OS operations?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I already learnt of blendOS two weeks ago, I think in a discussion of immutable distros.

Really looking forward to play around with it some more and maybe replace my Arch install with this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Does anybody know if configurations are also declarative?

Basically I want some easy way to spin up something arch linux based with my KDE Plasma settings, pacman hooks, grub configurations etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Oh yep, they are declarative, and that's what we've tried to implement with /system.yaml. pacman hooks and grub configs can be defined through /system.yaml (through a combination of the packages and commands arrays), but Plasma config is per-user and so wouldn't be possible to declare unfortunately :( you can declare GNOME config though, fwiw

(disclaimer: blendOS dev here)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Very intriguing. Is there a wiki or support forum in the works, too?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Oh, the main utilities exclusive to blendOS have been documented here: https://blendos.co/reference/ And all the installation/post-install guides: https://blendos.co/install/

For support, we primarily use Discord, although there are plans to set up Discourse eventually: https://discord.gg/fvMpV8ZNxD

(disclosure: blendOS dev here)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Cool. Will definitely be giving blendOS a spin in a VM.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Is there a "light" version, without a WM? I run Hyprland on my current Arch setup.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Indeed, you can just write your own custom /system.yaml file with the hyprland package (or no WM/DE for that matter). This guide describes how you can do that: https://blendos.co/install/post-install/intro/ (use the 'custom' track and add 'hyprland' to the package list)

(disclaimer: blendOS dev here)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Set 'blendos-base' in your system.yaml, install additional packages, update and reboot.

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