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What is it about the text messages and emails sent by older people that make me feel like I'm having a stroke?

Maybe they're used to various shortcuts in their writing that they picked up before autocorrect became common, but these habits are too idiosyncratic for autocorrect to handle properly. However, that doesn't explain the emails I've had to decipher that were typed on desktop keyboards. Has anyone else younger than 45 or so felt similarly frustrated with geriatrics' messages?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Gonna need some examples methinks. But the tendency to overuse ellipses is right tf up there

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Yes! This is what I always associate with older folks texting or emailing. I use ellipses a fair bit for (my attempts at) comedic effect. Some older folks are using them on a whole different level, having this weird habit of ending sentences with them where most people would use a period or exclamation point. It can come off sounding very ominous.

"Bill is coming over."

Okay, cool. Have fun with Bill.

"Bill is coming over ..."

Grandpa, are you in trouble? What's Bill going to do???

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I'm old and i use ellipses frequently, but my family would understand that i mean -

Bill is coming over and you know i hate that fucker so please call or stop by to save me if you don't hear from me in a bit.

I think your Grandpa is expecting you to infer something from the ...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

I think your Grandpa is expecting you to infer something from the ...

"What's the matter?"

Nothing, just letting you know...

"Do you want me to come over?"

No, Bill is coming already...

"Oh, great! And?"

Just letting you know...

"Oh, ok. Have fun, then. Tell Bill I said hi!"

Will do...if I remember.....

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

I'm old and I use ... to indicate that I'm gonna continue that sentence, but because I'm slow to write, I give you a chance to participate/continue. Especially if the sentence is going to be long.

Bill is coming over...

Well that nice.

...but I can't stand the fucker.

Oh.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

...from the what ??! say it, goddammit !

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I saw some video where they explained boomers use the ellipses to indicate missing words? like they're acknowledging that it's a sentence fragment and not a complete sentence.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

That's actually how the comment above interpreted the ellipses. The difference is more, why the words are missing.

The "modern" interpretation is that you are too annoyed or afraid to finish the sentence. In the sense of "son of a ...." in case of annoyance.

The "old" interpretation is either temporal (I'm not finished writing) or simply an acknowledgement that the fragment is just a fragment.

So the modern reader will interpret much more context into the missing words, leading to the exchange above.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That kinda makes sense because that is the how it is intended to be used (from a punctuation perspective).

el·lip·sis noun the omission from speech or writing of a word or words that are superfluous or able to be understood from contextual clues.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, I'd always understood ellipses to mean a thought was trailing off, or as a written indicator of someone thinking as if taking a pause while speaking.

I was never taught that's what it means, just seems that's how most people use it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What if I like ellipses...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The thing with ellipses is... they make you sound... like you have lethargy... Either that... or extreme shyness... Whenever I see text with no other punctuation than ellipses...I always imagine... like I'm talking with Eeyore... from Winnie the Pooh...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

For me it's an old habit from IRC. Instead of sending 5/6/7 lines of text, I just cut it with .... and continue typing on the same line. I could make complete sentences with capitals and periods but instant messaging is not a medium well suited for full sentences and paragraphs, so you get ...

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The related thing that I've seen a few times and never understood is ",,,". What does an ellipsis of commas even mean?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Younger than 45

Oh OK that actually makes sense.

45 year olds and above are digital immigrants. In short, they had an off-line childhood and an online adulthood. They have different speech and writing patterns to you because they learnt and communicated in a different way to you.

Assuming you're under 45, this won't make sense, because you've never experienced a world which doesn't have this sort of interaction. You're a digital native, digital tech has always been there.

In twenty years time, children born or educated after the advent of chat gpt will have the same problem understanding you. The way you write, post and interact will seem clunky and old fashioned. It's already happening - we're having to adapt the way we interact, in order to be able to 'be understood' by AI.

The wonderful thing about humanity, tho, is that we do adapt and adopt! Consider this - everyone over the age of 50 had to learn something completely new to them in order to be able to communicate with you via email, sms or messaging app. They used to just talk, or write letters. Sharing media was a physical act. Yet here they are using the same texh as you. Awesome.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Take into account that those 45 and older were the ones with disposable income when the internet took off

We fuckin invented the digital world, and memes too!

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Has anyone else younger than 45 or so felt similarly frustrated with geriatrics’ messages?

What always makes me laugh about posts like this is the knowledge that soon you too will hit that terrible 45 and become "geriatric". Your text messages and emails (how quaint) will suddenly become incomprehensible and everyone will claim you are giving them a stroke just by existing .

The clock is ticking... faster than you think.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

All of my kids messages are super short or emoji filled, my wife, friends and older contacts all text to text me full paragraphs or sentences.

Need some examples

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In my experience, younger people who grew up with the internet write their texts and emails as if they are instant messaging, because they grew up with AOL and MSN messenger etc when it comes to text based communication.

Older people who communicated over text before the internet only did this in one way - writing letters.

As a result their style of texting or emailing is often very long form in comparison.

When writing letters you are limited by how much room there is on a piece of paper.

This leads to using some shorthand which used to be fairly common, but has fallen out of public knowledge for younger people.

You could argue that some of the stuff that younger people email or text informally can be just as cryptic because there is entirely different shorthand that millenials and generations Y and Z use.

If you closely examine how you casually communicate with your peers of a similar age, you will notice it can be just as odd as what you experience from communicating with generations on either side of you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Young people grew up with MSN and AOL... since when young is 40yos.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm over a decade away from 40 and I grew up with it.

Furthermore the context of the use of younger is in:

"In my experience, younger people who grew up with the internet write their texts and emails as if they are instant messaging, because they grew up with AOL and MSN messenger etc when it comes to text based communication."

Which is replying to a post titled:

"What is it about the text messages and emails sent by older people that make me feel like I'm having a stroke?"

The use of "Younger" here is not an absolute term, it is a relative term, meaning it refers to people younger than the older people the original poster is referring to, who are in my estimation likely to be anyone under the age of 60 based on what OP describes and my informed experiences having worked in the IT industry supporting users of all ages.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

My mother would mistype and just accept whatever word was substituted in the autocorrect. So I’d receive messages like “what’s times area your striving art under Stevens’s on Saturdays”. Then I’d have to ring her, on the off chance she answered (only turned the phone on when expecting a call), so there wasn’t any point texting in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Never been called geriatrics before. I can retire now! Nice

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's about as annoying as young people abandoning any and all punctuation entirely. The amount of people that will write an entire paragraph and not use a single period is obscene. If you can't bother to organize your thoughts in the most minimal way, I'm going to assume you have nothing of worth to say and just won't read it. And frankly, if what you're saying is so boiler plate you don't need punctuation, then you really don't have anything to add, so probably just shouldn't.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (6 children)

And why do old people randomly capitalize nouns? Every Sentence reads like the just read the Written Word for the first time and wanted to give It a Try For Themselves

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

My Android keyboard will automatically capitalize lots of common words like target, guess, even-- shit it's not doing it now, it heard me thinking. I guess it's brands, but some of them I don't recognize. I'm going to be mad if it starts doing it again as soon as I leave this thread.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

My phone insists on Land. Wtf, phone?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

In 18th century English they did the same Thing. German too. Nouns were more important

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is the accepted writing style at my work, and it's been driving me nuts for years. I'm talking about the copy we put on all our public facing materials. Even our resident linguists hate it, but apparently someone high up thinks it's industry standard.

Remembering this just made me happier to be leaving soon. They're so resistant to challenging entrenched habits. I should have seen these signs when I started.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I'm not as old as OP mentioned, but sometimes I'll do it when it's a word that's commonly abbreviated or part of a title. Like "Original Poster".

I've had a couple people ask me if I'm German, but no, I just like some of their ideas on capitalization.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What? Who are you communicating with, and what shortcuts are you talking about? I text with my kids and they use more shortcuts and abbreviations than I do.

In work emails, I try to think of the recipient when writing them. Some people are chattier and prefer a nice introduction and thorough explanation, but my boss likes to just see messages like:

Posted on 13-May, thanks.

So if that's what you are talking about maybe you just have a more social communication style.

Though I will say my husband uses the ominous ellipses too often, like...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Not exclusive to old people, unfortunately. I've seen many instances of texts from decidedly young people that make me question if the language being used was some derivative of Old English.

But to answer the question specifically, I generally find that old people have a higher tendency to type or use speech-to-text and then not check for accuracy. It makes it generally pretty common for autocorrect to completely mess up meaning of the message. Also older people seem to either spam or avoid punctuation entirely with no in between.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

"Couldn't reply to message on Lemmy, was written like it was typed on a keyboard. Literally can't right now. Too many words."

What an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Assuming you're under 45, this won't make sense, because you've never experienced a world

Nah. 45 is '78/'79. You can easily run up to '85 on the analogue migration

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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