this post was submitted on 18 Apr 2024
2 points (100.0% liked)

Apple

17472 readers
315 users here now

Welcome

to the largest Apple community on Lemmy. This is the place where we talk about everything Apple, from iOS to the exciting upcoming Apple Vision Pro. Feel free to join the discussion!

Rules:
  1. No NSFW Content
  2. No Hate Speech or Personal Attacks
  3. No Ads / Spamming
    Self promotion is only allowed in the pinned monthly thread

Lemmy Code of Conduct

Communities of Interest:

Apple Hardware
Apple TV
Apple Watch
iPad
iPhone
Mac
Vintage Apple

Apple Software
iOS
iPadOS
macOS
tvOS
watchOS
Shortcuts
Xcode

Community banner courtesy of u/Antsomnia.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/14420149

DOJ And EU Authorities Call Apple’s Security Defense Bogus

top 6 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How is the NSA/Mossad/Bundesnachrichtendienst supposed to hack your phone if they have to get approval from Apple first

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

This does not apply to this argument.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Have they seen the amount of security researchers commenting on how much more difficult it is to penetrate an iOS/macOS device as compared to android/windows device? I’d say the security defense mechanisms are indeed much more effective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I actually read the article. The DOJ, as well as the EU, make some good points. One that stands out is that accessing third party payment systems is deemed a security issue to Apple. This is monopolistic behavior.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I, too, have read the article and it doesn’t say that. The closest thing is this paragraph here:

Vestager’s comments come within the context of EU’s Digital Markets Act or DMA, a flagship law that imposes rules and obligations on digital gatekeepers, including Apple. Among the DMA’s obligations is a requirement that Apple permit app developers to direct users to alternative sources, outside of Apple’s App Store, to download apps and make transactions. Vestager asserts that Apple’s security based claims are a diversion and improperly support Apple’s purported desire to keep a 30% commission for doing business in the App Store.

This primarily argument here targets the inability to download from external sources and leaps to the conclusion that it is to guard their commission. It also uses the top line 30% figure which is incorrect as vast majority of businesses fall into the lower tier and is much lower.

Despite the claims, the security implications remains true. By limiting installation mechanisms and requiring everything to be centrally notarized, this enabled Apple to rapidly block malicious applications across all devices. They’ve gone out of their way to implement a secure mechanism for DMA which allows them to continue to have the ability to rapidly stop malwares dead in their tracks.

Apple devices are much harder to compromise. Security researchers have noted this time and again. Even the recent malware that’s allegedly “cross platform” turns out to be greatly nerfed on iOS due to the security frameworks.

Law makers want to claim monopoly, they should call it for what it is, but not try to conflate things they clearly do not understand sufficiently and have not spoken with enough industry experts in.

Edit: you can see my comment from the GoldPick discussion a couple months back demonstrating the vast level of differences between the two platforms on the alleged cross platform trojan here: https://lemmy.chiisana.net/comment/498511

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

As an Apple fan, I do not want what these governments are pushing. Apple is vertically integrated. As a consumer, I like that. So is Nintendo, and your favorite car company, etc.

We don't need to use the law to force Apple to horizontally integrate. If Apple's charging too much, just say so and force them to lower it.