this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2023
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Now that the old Hexbear fork has been officially abandoned, this community will be used as a space for meta-discussion on the site itself.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Remove lemm.ee

While not as openly awful as SJW or similar shitshows, the instance has always had a tendency towards reactionary sentiment and anticommunism, and their users are just awful debate perverts, as examplified by this post where some MRA idiot liberal antifeminist barges into c/traaaaaa and tries to turn a trans debate into "not all men" bs. It's not the only problematic post in that thread, but the other one has already been removed. This is now the state of our trans comms. This has been going on steadily since federation started and it doesn't get better, it is the new status quo on hexbear. That's the reason why this will be my last post under this account, and why i will post not even remotely as often under my new handle.

I know this is still an unpopular opinion around here, but i'm sick of this entire failed federation experiment. You've had the mistaken idea that there could be a compromise between keeping the site as a safer space for trans people on one hand and "reaching out to and propagandizing" a couple dozen techbros and a couple hundred redditors on the other. And it really shows when i look at the queer spaces on hexbear, so many trans longtime users on here have massively reduced posting, we've gone from being "the most trans inclusive non-trans space on the internet" to "we also have moretankie_egg_irl". Seriously, that's what it feels like nowadays to me, there's a very palpable change in the quality of posts on queer subjects because with the old guard receding, most of them are now made by eggs and closet cases who haven't yet worked through their internalized transphobia and transmedicalism and are therefore unable to educate others, offer substantial community support, push for actual queer liberation instead of assimilationism and have in-depth discussions about radical views on transness that would be drowned out by the lib shit on reddit.

You can't build effective, radicalizing queer communities like that. In a structurally queerphobic society, you need not necessarily elders, but users who've at least already been through the most pressing struggles baby queers are facing to offer them guidance and help them to be themselves instead of trying to fit into a social structure that rejects them. We used to have that, back in the day threads about coming out or struggling with dysphoria or gender experimentation would have a ton of helpful, supportive comments and now it's just a bunch of eggs all having the same issue with nobody to show them a perspective not tainted by cisnormativity and internalized transphobia. We've gone from being a support structure aimed to build trans resistence to being a circlejerk of trans mysery. Trying to offer advice in such a setting is just such a draining task, i do not feel up to that when it feels as if i have to do it on my own. We've lost so much because you just had to federate with places overrun by reddit shitheads. And that's just a sad thing to say about the first place where i tried out my pronouns. This site was a home for me, it used to literally make me laugh out loud every day, now it's just a tedious stream of half-decent half shit takes i can't bring myself to care about. Breaks my fucking heart, but what can you do?

It's time to move on now. Farewell, comrades.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Copied and pasted from @[email protected] 's thread

Defederate programming.dev

I don't think I really need to explain much, their admins are transphobic. stalin-smokin

https://hexbear.net/post/1587342

One branch that ended up getting triggered due to the frontend snowe uses on mobile not showing pronouns (how most instances handle it currently is its appended to the end of the display name but some frontends choose to ignore the display name and just do the username instead)

Ategon, lead admin, refers to a transgender person as 'triggered' over the transgender person asking for proper pronoun usage from the other lead admin, snowe. Snowe also complained about that transgender person being offended. Ategon said this in an 'apology' post che-smile

Textbook very-smart

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Hey, one of the people in question here. Just wanted to clear up a bit of a misunderstanding. Use of the word triggered was referring to the conversation being started by a certain action rather than using it to describe the person. (branch refers to a branch of the conversation and the action is the thing after triggered). Ive edited the post to change the word to started to make it a bit more clear

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Shit Just Works Programming Lemmee

I must say, however, I would not be sad to see us defed from all but the Grad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Huge agree that programming(.)dev needs to go. Lemmee has tons of sucky users but has also brought a small handful of comrades our way. I'd like to see it go too, but I haven't seen a single instance of anything positive at all from programming, just reactionary weirdo shit.

Simply put, I think we would lose a lot of bad and lose a bit of good from defedding lemmee, but defedding programming would lose a moderate amount of bad and zero good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok for clairity you are nominating programing.dev and lemm.ee

sh.itjust.works has already been nominated be sure to upvote and comment there to show your support

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

https://hexbear.net/post/913975 Defederate from Lemmygrad

Wasnt aware it was supposed to go here, what is the fediverse comm for?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

kristina is nominating lemmygrad.ml for defederation

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I brought up my perspective in the other post and to be fair I don't really know how the defed process works but if this is a voting thing I vote against defederation.

I've seen lots of positive interactions with lemmygrad users, more than any other instance by far, and if defed from them we might as well just dump federation all together.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

lemmy.world for now, they are already defederated on their end, and according to some comments are possibly working with feds to resolve the CSAM incident that led to closing of comm and rule changes (which is good for finding out who did the terrible thing, but also a risk for anyone federated)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We shouldn't federate. The community is perfectly fine as is and introducing outside communities will only hurt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should explicitly add beehaw to the block list. I know they've already blocked us, but I want to see them throw a fit over us blocking them back. It'll be good dunk tank content

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@[email protected] beehaw has not blocked us yet actually, because we are www.hexbear.net and they blocked hexbear.net, so starting out not blocking beehaw could be funny