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[–] [email protected] 390 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago

Should be pinned ngl

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Holy shit

This is Billet labs all over again, they'll literally only do something if they're publicly called out

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yeah, it's called lack of ethical integrity.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm starting a new conspiracy that Linus knew all this was coming and that's why he hired the new CEO. I have no facts but I said it on the internet so people will believe me.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know you're kinda joking, but I think there is some truth to that. I think he made the decision because he could not manage the whole thing alone, and the workplace environment Madison described could well be caused by general stress and mismanagement

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve been under huge amounts of stress and have been mismanaged, but it never turned me into a grabass bully.

systemic issues like this don’t just come from nowhere. likewise, they didn’t just appear, either. nor will they simply disappear now that they’ve been exposed or with some glib promise to “do better”.

workplace atmospheres like this take time to develop and… fester. From what Madison described, it’s been this what from, at least, the time she started, which means these behaviors, these patterns, were existing, likely for some time.

What Linus knew, when, etc. may important in a civil case, but it’s not to me— He failed at his job, and didn’t ask for help/hire help to fix the problems until faaaar too late. If it was this bad for Madison, it had to be at least as bad if not worse for others before her who simply did not (or could not) speak out, as well as other who are still there.

Systemic issues do not affect only one person, and they don’t appear out of nowhere. Expect more bad news and expect that any resolution/fixes will take time and major change. If you don’t see any major changes over a reasonable amount of time, don’t trust claims that they’re “working on it."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Linus has a track record and proven history of doing/saying stupid shit. I think in this case, he recognizes that he's just shit at his job and wants help. He most likely didn't expect the Billet issue (no way he would have known Steve would have released a vid) and if he knew about Madison coming out, he'd have tried to prevent that sooner. Hiring a CEO won't fix the Madison problem, as that event had already occurred.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Afaik this (third party) investigation was started by Terren Tong, the CEO, who was not in this position as of this year and Madison left a couple years ago. I think on this part we can at least give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Linus position might be a very different matter though.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean he also is a friend of Linus' going a long while back but I agree he should be given a chance to straighten this out

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Friend yes, but he was his boss, and in linus's own words, he was the only one who could manage linus. Idk, I am cautiously positive due to the new CEO, but he does still answer to Linus so...

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The end result will likely be something like: "We have investigated ourselves and found that we are blameless of any wrongdoing". Which is usually how these things end up.

Also, weird to not see them saying they'll reach out to Madison to get the story from her, but I guess that might be one of those obvious things so not mentioned. I hope.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (13 children)

It being a third-party investigator means they aren't "investigating themselves."

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Yeah yeah yeah, standard response. It won't work. People won't come forward and nothing can/will be done if anyone does come forward. It'll just be awkward for them for a while. Maybe someone will get blamed, fired or resigning ... and then... it'll happen again.

The damage is already done. There's no way to undo it.

They can't handle this by just asking people to snitch. Allowing or encouraging individuals to snitch on other individuals is not the way to stop this.

The proper way for a company to handle harassment cases is to prevent them from happening in the first place.

The proper damage control is to admit that they didn't do enough to prevent it from happening and then tell everyone about how they're going to follow proper OSHA guidance from here on. Let's hear about how they let their employees elect a representative and how they plan to implement preventive actions, and what the procedure is to handle any potential situations before they escalate into a shit show like this.

I guess their union representative could have told them this a long time ago, but hey, they don't have one, because they also thought they could handle everything without any. Look at where that got them.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With them being in Canada they have a potentially big bogeyman in the human rights tribunal to worry about. Over the years outside Labour relations lawyers I've been in touch with have advised no employer wants to end up there as the rules of law sort of no longer apply and the penalties can be off the charts beyond legal precedent.

Employers need to do better jobs regardless of this bogeyman or a unions being needed avenue as they can present their own challenges for staff and employers with the additional level of bureaucracy. The more layers, the more complicated everything becomes beyond the egos of the various layers involved.

It's a shame to read all that's going on or alleged to have gone on. I love tech but I've not worked in the tech specific industry. I was aware of Linus back to my PC building days and seen some of his videos over the years and the surprising overlaps into the auto channels eventually.

I wondered what it would have been like to work in a smaller at the time company like his, but I saw some of his frustrations in a media system setup video a couple of years back that kind of had me wonder what is he like to work with? Linus seems really high energy and not super polished in his interactions. Being honest tech people don't always have the best social skills, much like those that excel at social skills are not the best tech people in broad terms.

I've heard rumblings of (as they aren't a part of my online world) gamer gate and heard of other issues for women in tech. Thinking about it more I could see how a lack of social awareness and tech bros culture not being a good mix in a growing environment trying to include women. They can't just think of them as being just another one of the guys with the usual stupid crap they do to each other. I'm getting old now because that statement leads to all kinds of new world issues with the extra gender labels that need to be accounted for today and there are other concerns that arise which the old bros culture cannot accommodate. The locker room behaviour was questionable at best and it's always been dangerous to have in a workplace, which can really be a huge issue for them to change (if it exists). There is some smoke without a doubt and it reinforces its not easy to be a woman in these types of tech environments especially when companies grow beyond the initial friends group.

Since I did not really watch more than a couple of videos a year of the LTT I did not realize how large they have become. Their converted warehouse space must just be jammed full of people at 100+ staff now. It was kind of small when they were smaller as it was. With the work load, overhead to cover, the youtube grind, the issues of trying to run during Rona, and the brave new world of big company issues and accommodations needed for a not friends anymore workforce with the workloads, it is easy to see how things can spin out of control with all that is going on. The silos that have developed could have become big blind spots along with the other issues discussed in the social media posts. Wolves of public opinion and of the disgruntled are at the door now.

I suspect at some point it will be mentioned in hindsight that it would have been better for them to sell with the 100 million offer they had received but I wonder how much of this stuff would have surfaced before the sale went through from due diligence by the potential buyer?

It's going to be a big mess ahead to sort out and I hope they are sincere in their intentions to figure this out, make the changes needed (if they are needed, which it sounds like they are) and to repair the damaged incurred to those along the way. It's a bloody big job and its going to be tough to do in the court of public opinion making their own decisions along the way about what is really going on inside the situation.

Like that meme of the person trying to make the exit from 4 lanes away on the highway, Good luck everyone! The pile up is going to be big.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Damage control, its there when you need to cover your ass. Speaking of covers this is the perfect segue to our sponsor, Dbrand..."

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Finally a normal safe corporate response rather than further digging a hole for themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Now that people are watching and are angry, we care too, people"

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What a corporate answer that says, now that the public knows we suck I guess we need to address it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (20 children)

What kind of answer would you rather have. I'm seriously asking what should the comment have been in order for you to be happy?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I feel a good majority of people are just in the outrage phase and there's literally no response that would have been good enough.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I always thought his channel was really dummed down. I watched a video or two and then noped out of it. Wasn't many if at all any tips from the so called tech tips site.

Oh and stating the obvious but he's 'sorry' because he got caught.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It sounds like they are taking her harassment allegations seriously, but not the allegations of excessive levels of work expected, which IMO sounded far more serious. Like having someone grope you is no joke, but having to cut yourself just so you can request a day off is insane

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Wonder how many international and domestic workers they've contract rugpulled, since this will probably be the one that flies under the radar due to all the other issues.

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