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They say on the bottle that it's a blend so I don't think this is that infuriating. Though if I saw "Texas Honey Blend" I'd assume it's cut with crude oil.
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It’s a blend of honey and high fructose corn syrup, what in the ever living fuck is high fructose corn syrup doing in honey? Oh, making more profits by cutting it.
Death to high fructose corn syrup
I can see it being useful if you’re making candy. Different sugars crystallize differently, so it’s not uncommon to mix corn syrup and sugar to get the right ratio.
But they’re also making “pancake syrup” that is corn syrup dyed and flavored to approximate maple syrup which is a crime against nature.
If you're mixing things up in the kitchen, typically you try to be somewhat precise with ratios.
The difference in this case being that because the actual ratio of the blend is unknown, you don't actually know how it would crystallize. Technically they could even change up the ratio week to week based on the price of high-fructose corn syrup so you wouldn't even get consistency from it.
Even brands like log cabin who claim to use "no high fructose corn syrup" are just corn syrup and sugar. There are people who go their entire lives eating pancake syrup and table syrup on their pancakes, and die never having tasted actual maple syrup.
What in the hell? You think this is ok? A honey blend implies a blend of.....wait for it..... different HONEY.
Not a blend of super cheap and super unhealthy syrup.
Maybe just me personally, but if they're gonna put "blend" on the bottle I'd be more inclined to assume it's intended as a selling point rather than a begrudging legal requirement.
Many thanks.
Only in America.
OK maybe not, but at least here it's illegal to label it honey if it isn't 100% pure honey. that goes for all of EU, where it's illegal to add sugar, according to the EU honey directive.
The result is that you buy either Honey or Syrup, you know what you get, and you get what you pay for.
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Apparently it's illegal in USA too, whether adding the word "blend" makes it legal IDK. It is sort of a warning sign but still misleading.
Over here in the Netherlands, where Big Farma has more power than Big Oil, I've seen milk in standard milk cartons being labeled as "milk drink" because they retroactively added some vitamins. There are protected food labels, for sure, but adding the right keyword that indicates that you're not buying what you'd expect from the packaging is a legal solution.
Same with the "vegetarian butcher", a fake meat company that uses misspellings of meat cuts ("kipstuckjes" meaning something like "chicken byts") getting away with using real meat names because the label "vegatarian" that's part of their brand image is supposed to tell you that it's not real meat.
I would've expected EU food regulations to block this stuff but in practice companies get away with it in practice.
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You're sure it wasn't for... other reasons?
Honey is a commonly faked food. At least they label it so you can avoid it.
At least they label it so you can avoid it.
But they call it honey blend, which implies it's a blend of honey from different sources.
This would absolutely be deemed misleading advertising here.
It sucks in the US where misleading labeling gets a free pass for being technically corrent if you squint hard enough is not considered misleading.
I heard about that. I wouldn't even buy beeswax from Amazon because I heard all the horror stories of even some of the highly rated products being cut with Paraffin, which gives me headaches. I could give you a list.
Hmm that would be illegal in the EU and UK, where nutritional info and proportion of honey would be required.
Quite tempted to write in though. Anyone else?
It is also required in America. The FDA requires it except for small business. Also the EU wouldn't even let this have the word "Honey" in the name at all. I'd assume that the retail business above doesn't reach the threshold of 500,000 so can request for an exemption of nutritional labeling.
I live near by this area. I also buy honey from Kelley's regularly, but have never seen this abomination. The honey they sell around here is 100% grade a raw unfiltered. It also has nutrition information on the bottle.
Wait, why can't you feed it to Children under one?
Some type of bacteria they're not ready to handle yet?
Correct. Infant botulism can result from bacteria in raw honey that is otherwise harmless to anyone with a developed immune system.
At first I was like “yeah doesn’t everyone know that?” And then I realized that I didn’t know that until I had kids.
Basically, yeah.
There are bacterial spores that are no danger to nearly all adults but will absolutely end your baby.
Remembering bees get fed corn syrup, started reading & wow:
Honey adulteration using HFCS was especially rampant in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when it was virtually impossible for regulators to determine that honey had in fact been adulterated (in some cases up to 80%) with HFCS. This practice was so epidemic that the American Beekeeping Federation developed a program of testing suspect honey samples sent in by beekeepers. This was only possible, however, through the efforts of Dr. Jonathon White, who literally came out of retirement to develop a reasonable testing procedure.
I'm okay with the product itself existing. I mean blah blah Americans put corn syrup in everything sure, you're allowed to buy honey and you're allowed to buy corn syrup, you're allowed to mix them in your own kitchen, I'm okay with this substance being allowed on the store shelf.
"Honey Blend" strikes me as one of those FDA required weasel phrases like "processed whey product" or "beef-related substance". You don't usually see the word "blend" on a honey bear bottle, says something's up.
The ingredients are plainly listed.
The nutrition facts are not; you'd have to lick a stamp to learn them, which I hope isn't legal.
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Americans: I'm so used to being lied to about literally everything that this doesn't seem that bad.
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Okay, this is the line that should not be crossed, we should evict Texas.
This is fine, they’re telling you what’s in the bottle. I mean I don’t agree with messing up honey with corn syrup and the fact that the bottle sort of leads you to think you’re getting just honey, but that’s par for the course in a lot of processed food packaging at least in the US.
Yea, and no, that should be better regulated. Let's not settle for something bad just because. In France this is better regulated, but still some brands play cat and mouse, finding corner cases to circumvent the rules. Honey is subject to this very frequently too.
You might say that Reddit is mostly just high fructose corn syrup, while Lemmy is pure, responsibly sourced honey.
This reminds me of KFC and how they switch from "Honey" to "Honey Sauce".
I got a shock random permaban in one of my preferred niche subs from someone obviously having a bad day and projecting it outwardly. It made me sit up and ask why I was putting up with so much nonsense and abandoned reddit that very moment. I had been dipping my toes into Lemmy but this made me dive in head first.
All text in large print, but you have to write them snail mail for the nutritional information, which is required by law to be printed on the label.
How old is that bottle? I looked at their website and they don't even sell this product.
I worked a contract job at a honey bottling plant in Mich where they would simply take 55 gallon drums of raw honey from all over the world, dump them into a giant tank, churn it up.... then bottle it. That's was it, nothing more nothing less. At one point in the past they used to add water, but they had stopped when I was installing the new mixing system (it was a patent thing). Makes me shake my head to see companies adding anything else to such a simple operation...
I'm confused there are no packaging standards in the US. Is the first ingredient the largest? How do you know if there's no percentage given?
There are some standards. The ingredients are listed in descending order of size (ie the first is the largest).
They can get around this in a few ways (though this isn't really relevant here), such as for example preserves having this ingredient list: blueberries, sugar, corn syrup. Even though the amount of blueberries is technically larger than both sugar and corn syrup, sugar and corn syrup (still basically sugar) can add up to much more than the amount of blueberries. By including multiple types of sugar they can sort of hide the fact that the largest ingredient is some form of sugar
At least it's labelled. Better than China sneaking sugar syrup into the supply chain without being open about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/mar/26/uk-honey-fails-authenticity-test
I see no problem here. It's very clearly labeled.
Would corn syrup stop it from becoming solid? I love honey but budget mind thinks, "buy bulk" and 1 yr later I have like half a quart left to practice my own tar experiment.
Gentle heating in a hot water bath or the microwave will liquify that honey again.
