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Wow, someone actually finally managed to force Trump to pay a bill.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I hope she sues him again.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago

I'm pretty sure she will, using the brand new NY Adult Survivors act.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Someone paid it. Not entirely convinced it was directly from Trump.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

It was definitely not directly from Trump.

Insurance company Chubb underwrote the bond for Trump, which the former president signed on Tuesday. Under the terms of the bond, Chubb will only secure the appeal of the $83.3 million judgment, not any future appeals.

Let me save you some trouble:

Chubb Limited is an American company incorporated in Zürich, Switzerland. It is the parent company of Chubb, a global provider of insurance products covering property and casualty, accident and health, reinsurance, and life insurance and is the largest publicly traded property and casualty insurance company in the world

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago

Wouldn't be the first time Trump has paid good money for a chubb

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Of course it's the Chubb group. Of course. It's funny they are supposedly a huge corp, but the only time I hear about them is when they're meddling and buying politicians

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I wonder what kind of insane terms are on that loan

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not that it would matter. Trump doesn’t honor agreements.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Exactly. So what kind of terms would it take for someone to loan nearly 100m to someone like that?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Well, not financially anyway. Maybe a promise for a future political favor if he wins? Not that I'd accuse a Swiss financial interest of working with fascists...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think he probably put up a building or two as collateral, kind of like a HELOC. If it's not paid back, they repo the building(s).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I hope they got their own appraiser, because the Trump org is infamous for making up numbers. Better check the paperwork at city hall, too, to make sure there are no undisclosed mortgages, leans, or easements on the property.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

An institution capable of making risky loans of substantial size certainly should have high quality risk and valuation assessment capabilities.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Trump's broke. That's why he put Lara trump as co chair and you hear that some ppl want the RNC to pay donnie's bills even though that would mean less money for down ballot candidates. Basically means about a billion needed and it would fuck the GOP in congress. I hope they go bankrupt.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago

From the NY fraud case testimony and word on the street, she's distancing from daddy. She sees the writing on the wall. Plus, kushner got 2 billion for the Saudis so she don't need his money/ connections.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago

I think you misunderstood their statement: Trump wants Laura to help him fuck the RNC, whereas Ivanka he just wants to fuck.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

some ppl want the RNC to pay donnie’s bills even though that would mean less money for down ballot candidates

The catch is that Trump's a prodigious fundraiser for the party. So not putting Lara on the co-chair spot could conceivably mean she runs of and does independent fundraising at the RNC's implicit expense.

Basically means about a billion needed and it would fuck the GOP in congress.

I hate to say it, but Trump's coat-tails alone are probably worth a billion in GOP organizing and advertising. His base loves him and his name at the top of the ticket will get out far more votes in 2024 than the GOP received in 2022.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

For Putin, a small price to pay if it means solidifying his grasp on American politics.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Someone paid it. Not entirely convinced it was directly from Trump.

Isn't he under financial monitoring due to the NY case? Am I mistaken?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

An insurance company named Chubb put up the bond money and they are not under financial monitoring.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Putin is worth $200 billion. Easily enough to cover all of Donnie's expenses. Vlad wants Donnie in the White House, and will settle for complete chaos in the West. If the GOP collapses, there will plenty of Lorena Booboos running around at the state level. Think of what the real Lorena has done, then multiple by 100.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't necessarily make it public. In the NY case I remember reading that if someone paid the $354m bond even that wouldn't necessarily be transparent as to who paid it.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 8 months ago (8 children)

He's still not actually paying her. He's just securing a bond that lets him avoid paying while he seeks an appeal. Just keep kicking the can down the road.

"Donald J. Trump on Friday posted a $91.6 million bond in a defamation case he recently lost to the writer E. Jean Carroll, staving off a potential legal and financial disaster just days before a deadline to secure the deal. The bond, provided by an outside insurance company, will prevent Ms. Carroll from collecting the judgment while Mr. Trump appeals."

[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The bond, provided by an outside insurance company,

Someone better name some fucking names, cause I wanna make sure I don't do business with an insurance company that is that bad at risk assessment.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Small price to pay for a Corp who may get a president to owe them a favor.

Funny to say that about what, 1-2M? That'd change all our lives. But that's a rounding error for them

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

The company who gave Trump $92MILLION is run by one of Trump's Former White House Advisors which is PROOF that DEMOCRATS are the Swamp!

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago

He’s just securing a bond that lets him avoid paying while he seeks an appeal.

Forcing Trump to come up with $92M he doesn't have so he can't completely welch when his appeals fail is funny enough that it was probably worth Carroll's time.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

She's going to get her money now though. I wonder what sort of collateral he had to put up to secure this bond. I don't know if I'd want to be the insurance company trying to get that collateral back after all his legal cases leave him bankrupt.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

True, but in order to get that bond, he had to put up collateral.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Right, not disputing that at all. I'm just saying he's (or whoever is footing the bill) a long way from actually paying anyone their due.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (11 children)

The point of the bond is that if the appeal fails, the court just hands the money over - shes probably more likely to see the cash this way than if he didn't appeal.

Appeals court doesn't give you a "do over" - they don't try the case again, they don't re-decide facts. Appeals court lets you argue that the previous court made an error in procedure. Given how competent Carrols' lawyers were and how totally incompetent Trump's were, I doubt they will be able to find anything.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Fair point.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He definitely wants the story of being adjudicated a rapist to stay in the news through the whole campaign.

BTW, $91 million is ₽8,249,150,000 (rubles) according to the current exchange rate. Give or take...337,000,000 Saudi rials

Who paid?

A Hill and Axios didn't know.

NJT didn't know.

See BS didn't know.

Newspeak didn't know.

Forged didn't know.

But CNN says:

Insurance company Chubb underwrote the bond for Trump, which the former president signed on Tuesday. Under the terms of the bond, Chubb will only secure the appeal of the $83.3 million judgment, not any future appeals.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Didn't he meet with Elon yesterday? I wonder he'll come up with the $450 million soon too

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

got Kompromat?

Elon and Trump both pictured with Ghislaine Maxwell— both doing Putin’s bidding

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump is the most famous rapist in the world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah, don't let him have that, it'll go to his head like everything else. I'm sure there's more famous rapists.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

When you're poor accusation is guilt and you sit in prison without trial for years. When you're rich, losing in court is just the beginning of negotiations.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Didn't he borrow that money from some CEO friend of his?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Next. Get that half a billion ready, chump.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Former President Donald Trump has posted a $91.63 million bond as he appeals the judgment against him in the E. Jean Carroll defamation case.

The notice of Trump’s bond and appeal was made with the federal court in New York on Friday.

In January, a federal jury awarded Carroll $83.3 million in damages as a result of Trump’s defamatory statements denying he raped her, saying she wasn’t his type, and accusing her of making up the allegation to boost sales of her book.

Trump also faces a March 25 deadline to put up another $454 million in the New York attorney general’s civil fraud case.

In Carroll’s case, Trump has argued that the jury award is excessive and should be reduced.

During the trial, Carroll’s lawyers told the jury that Trump should be punished with a large number in damages so that it actually gets him to stop his defamatory behavior.


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