this post was submitted on 03 Mar 2024
56 points (88.9% liked)

Men's Liberation

1850 readers
1 users here now

This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.


Rules

Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people


Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.



Be productive


Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people's efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed.

Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting:

  • Build upon the OP
  • Discuss concepts rather than semantics
  • No low effort comments
  • No personal attacks


Assume good faith


Do not call other submitters' personal experiences into question.



No bigotry


Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.



No brigading


Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.



Recommended Reading

Related Communities

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I know Twilight but, hear me out - if you are into thinking about human nature, philosophy, love, sex, sm and more I highly recommend that video essay. I don't really like to give an outline, since the essay is journey of itself.

top 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It was really good, many great points, many funny moments, solid work.

one point I liked was the point that many fantasies from women involve being strongly desired, and that incels are, in part, very frustrated that they've never felt desireable at all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The observation that incels crave to be desired, made me empathize more with them - great observation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The observation that incels crave to be desired, made me empathize more with them - great observation.

Couple that with the expectation that you will be the one initiating every encounter and escalation.

Like, women have fantasies of being strongly desired, but imagine you've never felt desired in your entire life and you also are expected to always be the one to make the first move, to have to take positive action to even move from socially invisible to desired or rejected (and most often the latter).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Sadly they don't see, how they enforce structures that are source of their own suffering.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

First book and movie were so grunge, and latter ones were so underwhelming. Interesting to see what Contra thinks of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Never read the books and not a huge fan of the movies (I guess I watch anything with vampires in). But somehow that essay connected Twilight with thoughts and concepts I was thinking a lot about lately. And I'm not sure how to feel about it, maybe I need to read more romance novels.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Heh. Good to hear.

I enjoyed them in my teen years when I was head deep in my own agnst. As a guy, in fucking Russia. With how questionable these books are, there's that period when it just works. It was also a weirdly welcome change from sci-fi I usually read, there was some novelty in a genre I've never touched.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Reading Twilight as a guy in Russia is quite ahead o the curve. Source: I was born in Russia and spend my first ten years there - luckily not there anymore.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Initially, I was caught by the soundtrack of the first movie, it just blasts. Especially Paramore. I played them on repeat.

Good for you to leave it. Times and times again it shows how it's hostile. No love for it's nature or it's people can overcame it's increasing violence against wrongthinkers like me and you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

No love for it’s nature or it’s people can overcame it’s increasing violence against wrongthinkers like me and you.

Makes me sad every time to think what could have been.