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There's some misinformation floating around regarding Lemmy not having a karma system. While many have discovered otherwise, this is for those who may not have.

While it's not exposed in the Lemmy default user interface, Lemmy does have a fully functional karma system and it is visible in third party clients such as WefWef and Memmy.

Do with that what you will.

https://join-lemmy.org/api/interfaces/PersonAggregates.html

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[–] [email protected] 233 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I think I will do nothing with that information.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Upvoted for visibility! 🤪

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You gained so much karma with that statement

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Can't wait to spend it on food and other essential goods!

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Upvotes are useful for determining what people like and dislike so you can sort posts and comments

Account karma is for narcissists to masturbate about how loved they are

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Hey I'm already tracking my karma, no need to convince me !

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Don't threaten me with a good time!

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Thanks, I hate it. Promotes gamesmanship and super douches like Gallowboob.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah if people start going for Karma we'll be plagued by "this" and stupid puns. Yesterday I saw a reddit post where the guy misspelled WiFi as Wife when explaining his problem, and then the top 10 comments were "omg dude you can't just get a new wife" or "I wouldn't come to Reddit for a problem with my wife"

The actual solutions to the problem were rubbish too

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly should be removed

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think there is a way to remove that. "Karma" is just the sum of upvotes on all of a users' posts/comments and that info is always accessible.

We could make the decision to not show that value in the front-ends of course but you'll likely have very different opinions on that and some front-ends will inevitably show karma.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Welcome to Lemmy where everything is made up and the Karma doesn’t matter.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly is it even worth anything? Even on reddit I didn't really pay attention to how much karma a user had, maybe when I wanted to check if it was a bot or something.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

When it comes to gauging advice, or doing something like buying or trading used goods it was helpful as a proxy for trustworthiness. Older accounts with good karma are a lot less sketchy than brand new accounts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but that can be determined just by account age and number of posts, not by the public reception of those posts.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You're right, didn't think about that.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

Well, I completely ignored karma on Reddit for around a decade, until a friend one day pointed my huge karma out to me in a very enthusiastic way. I believe I will also ignore it here.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mine (on both 3rd party apps) are very inaccurate lol. I have a post with over 2k and it says my karma is 300

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you telling me I wasted my time manually tallying up my karma with calculator to track my karma-whoring activity?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing I love about the fediverse is I dont have to give a fuck about karma

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used to create a new account on reddit every few years to "reset" my Internet presence.

Didn't give a shit about karma, still don't.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (38 children)

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think the karma system has value and I'd like to see us keep it. I did time as a moderator on a fairly busy subreddit, and requiring accounts to be >30 days old and have >100 or so karma saved us a lot of work. E.g., it made ban evasion a little harder to do, and reduced brigading.

It also helped to keep folks fairly civil and promoted considering perspective when posting, which I think is valuable.

With that said, I'd LOVE to allow communities to disable down votes... it's a missing feature in reddit, and if you are trying to promote discussion of a divisive topic, or to actively suppress an echo chamber, I think down votes are counter productive.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

requiring accounts to be >30 days old and have >100 or so karma saved us a lot of work. E.g., it made ban evasion a little harder to do, and reduced brigading.

Counter-point: Requirements such as these were the reason repost/copy-paste bots were getting so rampant on Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Requiring accounts with X days or X karma lead to subs where people would literally post just to get upvotes and the creation of bot accounts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Should probably be a per-server karma system. Or else anyone could create their own instance and auto-give themselves enough karma to be "trustworthy" and set their account date.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Karma is about which faction will turn hostile to you.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's not make Lemmy Reddit, or at least can we label this feature Anti-Karma?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With Reddit, though, some subreddits required a minimum amount of karma to post, whereas if you have access to an instance you can post freely.

So it’s more a user rating of “this was good/how have you survived until this point” than a gatekeeping device: you, as a poster, can freely ignore your points and the points of others if you don’t care.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

In Lemmy, karma is not important.

Alignment, however, is paramount.

Mine seems to be chaotic ADHD asshole. Wait, is this even a proper alignment?!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does that karma allow me to buy NFTs, then resell them for double the price I paid, then create bots to karma farming, be called a karma whore by jealous people, grow my evil power, become the CEO of Lemmy, put ads, charge for the API so my official app is the only one allowed to work and talk to shareholders? If it doesn't allow me to do that, then there's no karma 😝

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I think I am the only one that finds karma useful. Albeit my experience is based on Reddit, but I found it handy to check out who are the serial reposters that have huge submission karma and very low comment karma. My RES filter was getting..... large.

Lemmy? I dunno. I'm still pretty new here.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My points have reset a couple times over the last couple weeks, so they don't mean much.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is just the apps adding up all the upvotes/downvotes you receive and not an actual Lemmy feature.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

It's right in the API: https://join-lemmy.org/api/interfaces/PersonAggregates.html

Returns: comment_count, comment_score, id, person_id, post_count, post_score

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Oh no. Anyway, karma wasn't the worst thing about reddit so it should be fine, I hope...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

My "karma" got reset a few days ago. Lol.

Honestly makes no diff. But it's a little nice to see. Didn't really change my behavior. I'm just happy to be here and I am engaging more than I ever did on Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I know my comic praising lemmy for no karma added to the confusion on this but I do appreciate that lemmy.world does not feature the server karma on profiles for reasons already said in the comments. Thanks for clarifying.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does it have any effect - e.g. on the visibility of posts? I don't care about karma, but I do wish the web UI would hide comments with large numbers of downvotes.

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