this post was submitted on 12 Feb 2024
200 points (98.5% liked)

politics

19104 readers
2470 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Alabama suffers crime because of drugs, it punishes people because of drugs, it builds billion dollar prisons and signs billion dollar prison healthcare deals because its justice system is overrun by the consequences of drugs. It forces people to spend lifetimes in prison because of drugs, it uses the presence of drugs as an excuse to put addicts back inside, and if it put a fraction of the effort into rehabilitation it would save more people, more money and more families.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240212131604/https://www.al.com/news/2024/02/archibald-alabama-says-its-tough-on-drug-crime-it-just-perpetuates-it.html

top 22 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's just that they don't mean "crime" so much as "criminals" and then proceed to define "criminals" as "unpaid laborers" (aka slaves).

And the concept that Alabama is tough on its slaves is not a new one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Don't let anyone confuse you, almost anytime someone says they're "tough on crime," what they mean is that they're "tough on criminals and have an extra inky 'criminal' stamp."

Batman is good because he'd be happy to hang up his cape because Gotham was successfully cleaned up. ACAB because if arrest numbers start going down, then they have to invent more criminals.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

The vast majority of those drug prisoners are minorities. They are now required to work for little or no pay with no rights or protections. The state has their slaves back. This is working as intended.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Legalize drugs and addictions will go down, and the prices will plummet. The hard drugs will get much softer as well. Alcohol, Prohibition taught us this much. Who drinks moonshine these days? Nobody I've ever heard of. They sip a beer while watching the football game.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Addiction might go down, it might go up, but crime will definitely go down, and accidental overdose deaths will basically be eliminated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Addiction should go down since legalizing the drugs would make room for less potent forms of the drugs. So something like cocaine could be replaced with coca leaf tea, etc. It doesn't completely eliminate it, but it ought to bring it way down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree, it 'ought to', but my point is simply that even if it doesn't the benefits of legalization to both the addicted community and society in general are more than enough to justify legalization.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Ah, good point

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I doubt a "less potent form of drugs" will happen exactly as you imagine. Drug potency has skyrocketed because logistically it's easier to smuggle smaller quantities of a high potency substance. I personally think we would see a resurgence of drugs and doses of what people were previously doing before importing them got so difficult. What would be interesting though would seeing if any new analogs could be discovered with shorter term effects especially in the world of stimulants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Right, exactly. So if it was legal, then the potency should be able to drop because you don't have to smuggle it anymore. Since it would no longer be illegal and you no longer have to smuggle it in, then the space could be used for the less potent forms instead of the tiny spaces for more potent forms we have now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes but who will do the prison slave labor if not the drug addicts?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

https://lemdro.id/comment/5959283

Another commenter said that unironically, how tf do these people sleep at night lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I would kill myself if I was to be locked up in Alabama. It's one of the most barbaric prison systems in the USA. And while there may be worse in other countries, the USA prison system is very awful.

Compare it to that mass shooter who has what amounts to an apartment in another country (I think Nordic). Was posted on Lemmy a few weeks ago.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Prison Policy Initiative last week issued a national report about this very topic, saying cops, lawmakers, even family members worried about the addictions of their loved ones, often believe a stint in jail might be the thing that saves their sons or daughters or fathers or mothers.

The inability to pay drug debts leads to beatings, kidnappings, stabbings, sexual abuse, and homicides.”

People are attacked, like a Bibb Correctional Facility prisoner cited by the feds, who was stabbed as he was sleeping, over and over again, by a man who said the victim owed him money for drugs, so he “got it in blood.”

Like a man at Draper prison, also cited by DOJ, who blacked out on meth, and realized only after he woke up that he had been raped.

But few things come at a cost as substantial as a stint in Alabama prisons, where paroles have been nearly stopped, where violence is a constant, where lives are destroyed and redemption denied.

This project was completed with the support of a grant from Columbia University’s Ira A. Lipman Center for Journalism and Civil and Human Rights in conjunction with Arnold Ventures.


The original article contains 1,073 words, the summary contains 194 words. Saved 82%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!