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I’m excited for the wannabe domestic terrorists in West Texas to realize that sparsely vegetated and habituated scrubland is a drone operator’s ISR wet dream to thwack pickup convoys, and have a public come-to-Jesus moment before decrying this pointless dick measuring contest. Any kind armed rebellion without near total collapse of the federal government, is a fantasy

I’m also trapped. We should group up.

I mean, we've also seen a lot of cases of the exact opposite. It's entirely a question of which position is held to be long term better not just to the parties in question, but to the actual politicians as well.

The UK is more valuable to the EU as a less favorable trading partner than as a pariah, and there was no plausible way for the EU to convince it's members that there was any course to take other than letting them leave exactly as fast as the treaties said they could.
They made it about as painful as they could while fulfilling their treaty obligations.

There is no defined legal mechanism for a state to leave the union. There's no long term incentive for politicians to create one. There's no individual incentive for one either, at the national level.

Punishing secessionists to maintain precedent would be the only viable move for any politician.
Of course you don't let them starve, but you also don't let ships into your territorial waters near areas with violent insurgents, and you warn your neighbors that trade will suffer if they're found to be supplying said insurgents.

It's literally the position of the US government that secession is not possible, not just "not permitted".
States didn't seceed during the civil war, they were never their own country, and any treaties or legal actions taken by their supposed governments have no weight.

Don't look at it through the lens of "how would the US treat the new nation of Texas", but "how would the US treat the armed rebels in the state of Texas".

I would absolutely expect Texas to throw a fit that they would be treated like a foreign country that now has to do trade deals and visas and shit rather than just a cool super state that can do whatever they want.

Texan here. The vast majority of us don’t want to secede and think this is crazy. Please don’t curse us along with the monsters that are ruining our lives.

And before the “just move” train starts, a lot of us would like to, but we need access to our current support systems to survive, and can’t detangle our lives from our area at the drop of a hat.

I was wondering about that. Because when it comes right down to it, Texas is NOT going to let the gubmint tit slide out its thankless mouth, nor do its leaders want to become instantly irrelevant to and derided by the other 49 states, nor do they have any intention of maintaining an instantly international border with New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana in addition to Mexico, nor do any of them want to leave Congress and lose their outsized legislative power over the other 49 states. All of that would be very bad for not only the state but its batshit insane leadership, and they don't want that outcome at all.

So the true motivation here must be something very, very short of actual secession.

Jesus fucking christ I hope the dog catches the car. I so want to see these shitstirring mfrs panic.

They should react, because ignoring this line-toeing is what causes them to just be bolder next time. Remember when all the Republican calls for banning abortion were just rabble rousing for political benefit and they didn't really mean it? Trump telling his followers to fight? Republicans saying trans people are molesting kids?

Ignoring their provocation isn't winning 5D chess, it's paving the way to actual violence. If a state says they're going to block the federal government and calls for aligned states to send troops to support them, you need to shut that shit down.

That might sadly be true.

That is definitely true, but I will still be laughing on the way down with you ;)

I personally welcome my always was Chinese overlord