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I don't remember what caused the Voat's origin, except it involved Reddit HQ. And then it went under in 2020.

What's different about this time and with Lemmy to make it a feasible alternative to Reddit? Is it random chance?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As I remember it, the Rexit that caused Voat to become so large was primarily composed disenfranchised conservatives, trolls, and those with extreme views. Even moderately conservative users were likely to feel out of place on Voat.

This Rexit seems primarily composed of disenfranchised mods, app users, and content producers. In my opinion, the much larger variety of people swapping to the Fediverse give it a much more stable base.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't want "feasible alternative to reddit" tbh. Fediverse is its own thing and it's whatever we make it. We have tools to decide what content we see on our end. We have instances that all have slightly different vibes. Lemmy is just a multiverse, populated by people. So far most people here are cool.

If there becomes an instance that is breeding hatred, they get defederated. The end user can then decide to make an acct there if they wanna see that stuff.

That may not resonate with some people I guess. I really like it's simple organic nature and it allows for flexibility.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Voat was a replica of Reddit in design. One centralized server. We would have ended up in the same crappy place even if that were a success because at some point they would have wanted to monetize it also.

You have to do some reading and learn about the technology behind Lemmy and federation to understand.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

~~Trump~~ Traitor supporting subs have already been called out and others urged to defederize with them (is that the right phrasing? I'm still new to this).

For that reason alone, I feel like Lemmy will-at the very least--last longer than Voat as a viable reddit alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People seem super jazzed about the decentralized nature of Lemmy and other stuff in the “fediverse”. I don’t really understand how it works but it seems cool that Lemmy isn’t a single company/website. Can’t have a power tripping CEO or a board that panders to shareholders that way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Need to be careful though; just like with the web and email, it can have standards capture where a few corporations control the standard and the main clients used to access the service.

And just like Gopher, Lemmy could conceivably just fade away via neglect.

Personally, I’d love to see someone create an ActivityPub interface for Gopher so it could have its overdue resurgence :D

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of folks already pointed out Voat's main issues, but the biggest thing here is that any sort of open source thing like this can't really totally fail if anyone is still using it. Voat was still centralized if I'm not mistaken.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think Lemmy will have the same fate as Voat. Voat was just loonies going...well....loose. This time, its all of Reddit users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Voat was a racist, fascist hell-hole where the most terminally-online and unlikeable people on the internet were corralled together. It was the social equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Lemmy seems to be insulated from Voat's fate because it was a hard left-turn in the face of a platform implosion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

There was one Voat. When the one Voat goes bust, Voat goes bust. Like any enterprise, it's failure can be attributed, at least in part, to poor management.

There are many Lemmy's. If one Lemmy collapses, another Lemmy can take its place. The individual instances might be less stable than a centralized social media site, like Voat was, but when federated the whole unit is more resilient than centralized social media.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The one problem with this is that most of the content does seem to be pretty centered on only a couple instances (lemmy.world mostly, with some also scattered in beehaw.org, Lemmy.ml, and sh.itjust.works). If one of those goes down, especially lemmy.world, it will cripple this place pretty bad. Maybe if we one day get a way to backup or export user profiles and communities to other instances, but until then, I think this place has a centralization problem brewing as well.

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