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A Salesman Shot One in Teddy Roosevelt's Office - Burgess Folding Pump Shotgun (1893) (lemmy.world)
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The pivoting pin at the bottom and the spring-loaded latch that Burgess added to the design allowed the gun to be carried in a folded state and snapped into a locked firing condition with a flip of the wrist. In fact, Burgess sold a belt holster for the shotgun to allow one to carry it under a coat in just that manner.

Burgess salesman Charlie Dammon – an impressive exhibition shooter – made an appointment with then New York City Police Board President Theodore Roosevelt in 1885, and arrived concealing a loaded Burgess in a holster under his coat. After exchanging a few greetings, Dammon thoroughly startled Roosevelt by whipping out the gun, snapping it shut, and blasting six blanks into the ceiling of the office. Roosevelt, always one to be enthusiastic about weapons technology, promptly order one hundred of the guns for use in the New York State Penal System

Ian's Video: [7:20] https://youtu.be/HXvmGtLYwKA?si=

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a17376/folding-shotgun/

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The steel balls to just whip it out and start blasting into the ceiling is nutty.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Only rivaled by Teddy's. Good thing for our salesman Roosevelt was more impressed than surprised.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

True, he did like his big sticks lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

And tiptoeing

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

I may be in the minority but I think this is a rare example where an attempt to not infringe on a patent resulted in a design better than the patent that never got adopted.

IMO you'd have an easier time remaining on target shifting your rear hand. Where as pumping your fore hand would jostle your sights.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This thing just begs for a 3D printed update. I’m actually rather surprised just how few 3DP shotguns are out there considering 12 gauge is basically 1/2” pipe. I’m imagining a pivot pin from an AR would work and then it just needs a good latching system. The rest is fairly simple, I imagine, and maybe it would use a revolving cassette like the Six Twelve that never arrived.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, making your own guns is a pretty good way to cause a whole bunch of problems

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

MYOG is a time honored tradition, and the conflict in Myanmar is doing a bang up job of showing how it can cause real problems for a despotic government.

From a builder’s perspective, if you think about a shotgun all the parts that contain the bang can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes, which just leaves the printed parts and CF Nylon looked to be the leader for frames and lower receivers last I checked. You can order that from Amazon. Firing pin could be for an AR, they’re $7 if you catch a good sale online, and the trigger could be an easy drop in AR trigger or something printed itself with a few off the shelf metal pieces for reinforcement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I should probably state the obligatory "I'm not in America" but hey, if it's traditional...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

America is not the only country with a tradition of homemade weapons, but some of the others use them ceremonially, like the Afghan long gun on this community a couple days ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shards of hot plastic beg to disagree

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Shotguns use relatively low pressure compared to rifle rounds, but yes, you’ll likely need some pipe from a hardware store like Home Depot or Lowes to contain and direct the small explosion and the slugs/buckshot. In terms of the design I’m suggesting, there will of course be metal parts but like most modern firearms, polymers can make up a lot of the firearm and its ammunition feeding system. A shotgun designed to be used in shooting competitions or duty use isn’t wood stocked, wood is just too heavy by comparison to plastics.