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[–] [email protected] 80 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I was wondering what was going on with that post. I’m glad it resonated with people across the fediverse. Cool!

Now I’ve got to figure out how to log into Mastadon with my Lemmy account. I didn’t even realize this was a thing.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@[email protected] You can't log into other Fediverse services using your Lemmy account. It's a Lemmy account for your specific Lemmy instance and doesn't work anywhere else.

What you can do is talk to people on other Fediverse services with your Lemmy account on your instance in the same way you are communicating with people from other Lemmy instances.

For example, the op you are replying to is using Friendica, you are using Lemmy and I am using Firefish right now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I like to explain it like email or even phone providers. You can call someone on Verizon even if you're on ATT but you can't pay Verizon for your ATT bill

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Iirc, you can't log into Mastadon with a lemmy account, but there should be a way to follow a mastodon account from a lemmy instance. Never tried it, though.

Edit: Apparently, it's not possible either. Mastodon users can follow lemmy communities, but not the other way around. 😔

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

@janAkali @maxprime You certainly can follow Lemmy groups from Mastodon. And you can reply to Lemmy threads from Masto.

In fact, take a look at my account — I'm doing it right now...

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I wish Lemmy would make instance agnostic post and comment links. With the current system it's impossible, as every instance assigns its own number. Instead, links could be in the form https://your instance/comment/number@hostinstance

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The GitHub issue is here, you could put a thumbs up reaction on it, and also subscribe to the issue to get updates about it

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2987

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Done. I hadn't seen that issue before, not that I really dig into github all that much.

However the issue is somewhat outdated. We do have instance agnostic links for communities and users now, and we have since I joined, which was less than 2 weeks after this issue was posted. We may need a new updated issue that focuses on posts and comments specifically.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

While I completely agree, a partial solution is to use clients that open fediverse links locally. I use Eternity which does it nicely.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That works for a Lemmy user, but it doesn't help for sharing on other platforms or for users discovering content elsewhere

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It could just be a GUID. The community's host instance assigns a GUID (which by definition is unique in all GUIDs) and then when sending the post or comment out to federate to other servers it includes the GUID for the other instances to use.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I'm a massive fan of GUIDs, too, but you'd have no protection from rogue instances reusing GUIDs of existing posts...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

But I still need a host to know where to retrieve the comment from. A GUID on its own doesn’t help if my instance hasn’t seen that comment. So if there’s a host already on the comment id, why bother with an ugly long GUID?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think there's a need for a GUID, in fact it would be quite difficult - every instance would have to check with every other instance to ensure that the ID's are unique. Meanwhile, if we just have the federated host picking a number, then every other host uses that number followed by @hostinstance, we don't need cross-checking but still have unique ID's for everything.

For example, https://lemm.ee/comment/123456 would be a different comment to https://lemmy.nz/comment/123456 (as it is currently also), but the first comment could be found on the 2nd instance as https://lemmy.nz/comment/[email protected].

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

every instance would have to check with every other instance to ensure that the ID’s are unique.

No they wouldn't, that's the point of a GUID - they are globally unique.

However, I've changed my mind. For the nice-URL factor, having @instance is better and provides extra info.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The tragedy here is that you had to make a screenshot to then upload to Mastodon, only later to come here and have to point out where the original post is. It would be great if you could have made the post on Mastodon simply by linking to the original post and then the format would have looked just as good as the screenshot, and then both sides of the Fediverse could converse. Or, the opposite could happen.

I've talked about this kind of thing before https://lemm.ee/post/4955936 and some are confident this is how things will eventually end up, so I hope they're right.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Friendica does this already! This is how I see your comment:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well that didn't quite work, did it? Here's the screenshot:

friendica

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Ah, I see. Lemmy handles comment images differently from the rest of the Fediverse, even including kbin. Annoying.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is so wholesome, the world needs to support teachers like this!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just echoing a class I had in high school.

My social studies teacher ran the whole year as "micro community." There were three different classes per year, and each class was a community. Each student had a role within the community, and performed actual job duties necessary to keep things functioning. For example, I was a banker and had to cash checks. After tests, we got checks based on test scores, so you got (fake) money to spend on stuff. We had to pay a utility bill or he would turn off the lights and not use the projector for notes. The kid running the power company would collect that money.

The best part was the stock market. Each community was also a company whose share value depended on overall test scores. So you could invest in whichever class you thought would score the highest.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Wow! That is so creative and thoughtful. I wish everyone has a teacher like that who truly loves the profession and respects the impact they have on their students' lives.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

I hope this is real; and if it is, I hope there are more teachers like this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's the most intricate way I've ever heard of someone trying to find a meme they once saved and can't find it

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Federated alternative to shXtter

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The formerly successful site known as Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

or (ex)twitter

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Mastodon is to Twitter as Lemmy is to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Update: I'm on Universeodon, which has comparatively modest numbers compared to mastodon.social. Mastodon.social has registered 249 boosts as of now! Favourites are difficult to measure but based on upvotes registered on lemmy.ml minus the ones registered by mander.xyz it'll be around 400. Way to go, Fediverse!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is this how stats will be reported on the Fediverse?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Somehow I hope not, and so, at the same time...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Way to make me feel silly for having both an account on both a Mastodon server and a Lemmy server! ;)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I love both Mastodon and Lemmy, but they usually don't federate very well with each other, so one cannot replace the other: Lemmy users cannot see microblog posts which aren't connected to any community and Mastodon doesn't show the body of Lemmy posts. Currently trying out Friendica, which manages all parts of the Fediverse reasonably well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Interesting - will look into Friendica. I just hacked up the latest stable release of Lemmy to run on OpenBSD but it’s not something I think I want to maintain long-term. Looking for something that will last a while, kinda like email but maybe not that long!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is it possible to migrate from Mastodon to friendica? And how are the mobile apps?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Lemmy + Mastodon is a pretty great combo :)

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