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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/11683421

The EU has quietly imposed cash limits EU-wide:

  • €3k limit on anonymous payments
  • €10k limit regardless (link which also lists state-by-state limits).

From the jailed¹ article:

An EU-wide maximum limit of €10 000 is set for cash payments, which will make it harder for criminals to launder dirty money.

It will also strip dignity and autonomy from non-criminal adults, you nannying assholes!

In addition, according to the provisional agreement, obliged entities will need to identify and verify the identity of a person who carries out an occasional transaction in cash between €3 000 and €10 000.

The hunt for “money launderers” and “terrorists” is not likely meaningfully facilitated by depriving the privacy of people involved in small €3k transactions. It’s a bogus excuse for empowering a police surveillance state. It’s a shame how quietly this apparently happened. No news or chatter about it.

¹ the EU’s own website is an exclusive privacy-abusing Cloudflare site inaccessible several demographics of people. Sad that we need to rely on the website of a US library to get equitable access to official EU communication.

update


The Pirate party’s reaction is spot on. They also point out that cryptocurrency is affected. Which in the end amounts to forced banking.

#warOnCash

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

Will it be inflation adjusted?

If inflation continues (financial repression to reduce debt and mitigate the aging population makes that likely), that 3000€ will soon be 1500€ in today's money and you won't even be able to by a mid range laptop with cash in 10 years.

At the current official 2.5% inflation it'll happen anyway after 28 years.

It's basically a cash ban over the next decades. Great news in the current private surveillance economy.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Belgium, France, and Spain all have had cash limits of €3k, €3k, and €1k respectively for some time now. And the US has a variety of reporting triggers set at $10k. None of those limits have been inflation adjusted. So indeed more and more people become subject to unwarranted surveillance as time moves further beyond 1984.

But then consider Germany. Germans are wise enough to understand what they give up when giving up cash, so while the EU law has little effect on Belgium, France, & Spain, Germans are getting fucked by the EU on this and AFAIK there is no inflation adjustment at the EU level either.

It’s a shit law but if we must have it I would like to see it indexed to postage costs, which has been going up by leaps and bounds. The cost of printing a page at the library has gone from 5¢ to 10¢ in the past year.. so that would be a good inflation index for this as well.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Germans might legitimately riot if cash is straight up outlawed, so that's why polticians have to resort to underhanded tactics like this.

Personally, I think barrels of Campbell's condensed tomato soup is the best inflation proxy, mostly because it's really funny:

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

And that's while top EU officials are still not being elected, and are in fact personally mostly shitty people and most likely very corrupt and with solid background of being in bed with dictatorships and cleptocracies.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Just let terrorists do the transactions so you can follow their cash flow. This is only hurting people who need to make some large down payment legitimately and now have to jump through hoops.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

This is only hurting people who need to make some large down payment legitimately

Yes, this is intended

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Chat control was beat. This can be too. Contact your MEP, let them know this issue is important to you: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the link.

It’s important to note that chat control keeps getting reincarnated. So it’s an on-going fight.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It will also strip dignity and autonomy from non-criminal adults, you nannying assholes!

They are not assholes. They are in fact very smart and steadily moving towards their goal.

They are reducing applicability and efficiency of the means they themselves don't need. Their crimes are done the old-fashioned way, plus when you are a high-ranking official or a businessman or a politician, who'll even try to investigate you if you've done nothing clearly wrong?

By the way, I'm not saying it's a sign of some USSR 2.0 . Rather mafia becoming stronger. Well, look which people hold high posts in EU institutions. They are almost openly mafia tools.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They are not assholes. They are in fact very smart and steadily moving towards their goal.

They are reducing applicability and efficiency of the means they themselves don’t need.

You just described people looking after the interests of number 1 at the expense of others. We call them “assholes”. That’s the appropriate term for what you describe.

(btw, this is orthogonal to intelligence… there are smart assholes and there are stupid assholes).

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

The medicines or sex toys I buy is nobody’s business.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Seems like this is not an interesting topic to most of the voters. Based on the pirate party blog post this was already put in place mid march, way before the EU election days in june. Seems this did not leave an impact on most people, which will hardly ever handle that much cash anyway.

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