The Hundred Years' War on Palestine
A History of Settler Colonial Conquest and Resistance, 1917-2017 by Rashid Khalidi
A landmark history of one hundred years of war waged against the Palestinians from the foremost US historian of the Middle East, told through pivotal events and family history.
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When the title and subtitle are so politically-skewed, I can't imagine this book would give an objective overview of this complex and bloody conflict.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] they're not skewed. the "conflict" isn't complex.
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If that were true, it would have been resolved decades ago, one way or another.
But if you somehow have a new insight that explains the current quagmire both sides have dug themselves into, or you have some simple solution - I'm all ears. Don't be shy.
@ymishory @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine it could have been, but the State of Israel blocked that on more than one occasion, even as early as 1948. It's simple. The occupation must end, Israel as a Jewish state must cease to exist. A right of return for Palestinians and substantial reparations for loss of property and life. And I'm looking forward to a country, between the river and the sea, in which ALL citizens have full rights. May it happen speedily and in our days, amen
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Your first sentence - I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean there. What has Israel blocked and how? What was the situation before 1948? Please clarify.
As for your suggested solution, can you elaborate on what needs to happen to bring about this utopia?
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] The genociding needs to stop. That's perhaps the easiest to accomplish right now. A ceasefire. Not a "pause". A ceasefire. And Israel needs to loose its "Europeanness". Because that's what zionism ultimately is. The project to make Jews into Europeans. Unfortunately the core European values is genocide.
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Needs to, has to, must... Those are slogans. Let's get real.
The war in Gaza will probably end in a ceasefire that will not last. Where do we go from there? How do we break the cycle of bilateral violence?
If that ever happens, who should lead the Palestinians and what should they do to promote an independent and self-reliant Palestine?
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Do you for one moment think that things can go on like this inside Israel, for Israel? It's unsustainable. Let go or be dragged. I look at Israel and I see a deranged and genocidal nation.
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I have not always seen that when I look at Israel, but it's definitely what I see this month and last.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] It's what you could always see being inside it, if you really perceived.
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In a way you're right. We can debate the fine details, but the observation is valid to some extent.
How does that help us? Is the solution to wait a few decades and hope for Gandalf to come and steer history in the right direction?
@ymishory @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine I guess it means that Israel in its present form won't exist for much longer.
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So.... do nothing and wait? Easy enough.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] That's what's happening now isn't it? Or no, rather, Israel's genociding is generously funded by the USA and morally justified by most "civilized nations" that claim that the Israelis are the victim here because they're jewish and it's kind of an ethnic thing. Just outrageous. Meanwhile the contracts on the natural gas exploration just off the coast of Gaza have been signed. So. [shrugs shoulders]
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You keep going back to describing how bad things are, when we've already agreed that it's a bloody mess.
I'm trying to understand your endgame. If, as you say, it's just a matter of time and there's nothing to be done right now, why waste the time and energy on endless debates?
If, on the other hand, there's some course of action that could change things for the better, what is it?
@ymishory @anantagd @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine There is no single answer. Probably the only viable solution is a single, multi-ethnic secular state. While I would prefer all the Zionists to be expelled, this is unlikely to happen, and we will just have to wait until all the European “Israelis” leave & return to Europe/US etc. I expect many will, just as the majority of racist South Africans left after disposing of that colonial state.
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I think a key difference in Israel vs South Africa is that Israel literally thinks that land was given to them by God.
It's something that they can't just pack up and go to a different country for, which means the Jews have to learn to live with their Palestinian neighbors and vice versa.
But if the government is secular and doesn't favor one religion over another, I think most of the people would fall in line with that.
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From a historical perspective, before Herzl, Jewish people in the Levant had neighbors, who were the “Palestinians” of the 19th century.
The “modern” pragmatic solution would be to return for 1967 borders.
That is why they killed #YitzhakRabin over Oslo Accords.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Most Israelis are secular. Ironic that a people who don’t believe in g-d believe he gave them someone else’s land. Down here in reality, we know it was the British who exceeded their mandate and “gave” Palestine to European Zionists, not g-d.