chapotraphouse

13198 readers

375 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank

founded 3 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

106

Tucson Teacher Fired, You'll never guess who (hexbear.net)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

159 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (18 children)

I think if they're writing books with that kind of material, then yes - I'd fire nabakov immediately for example

If you think Lolita was condoning its subject matter then you completely misunderstood the entire message of the book. This is why we need media literacy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Fans of that book, or the literati, always say that, and yet its very popular with child abusers. No doubt there are those who read it and were disgusted. Most people however don't need an elaborate fantasy novel to tell them that kind of thing is very very bad.

If I've misunderstood the message, and others have too (it isn't generally well liked, except in certain circles, usually called at least 'controversial'), then we can be sure that anyone writing such material shouldn't be a teacher, and certainly children shouldn't be exposed to it - and the way communities work, children at such a teacher's school would be well aware of any controversial publications they might have made. Personally, I think it is a literary trick (like the 'poverty porn' genre) to justify the promotion of dodgy material to a certain class for titilation, so I'd do a lot more than sack such an author.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

it isn’t generally well liked, except in certain circles, usually called at least ‘controversial’)

The only people who understand the book in that way are:

people who the book is about

people who haven't read it but have read redditors talk about the book in the way those people would.

The only thing I can tell about Lolita is that there is a whole lot of people out there who definitely haven't read but talk about it as if they had.

And if the writer was a teacher, I really wouldn't care. Teachers write or say so much more fucked up stuff. Many are conservatives for instance. A whole lot.

then we can be sure that anyone writing such material shouldn’t be a teacher,

Sorry but what. You can't be held responsible for people not understanding what you've written due to cultural tropes that have developed from random idiots who didn't get it in the first place.

I'm sorry, but understanding that Lolita is NOT pro-pedo is the easiest thing in the world. You can't even say "subtext". I genuinely can't think how a semi-functional adult could possibly misunderstand the text in that way. I know it does happen, but it's really hard to conceive. The whole thing is pretty clear about it. The fact that the protagonist is a horrible monster who shouldn't be trusted is literally in the opening. In no uncertain terms.

load more comments (14 replies)