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We moved to America in 2015, in time for my kid to start third grade. Now she's a year away from graduating high school (!) and I've had a front-row seat for the US K-12 system in a district rated as one of the best in the country. There were ups and downs, but high school has been a monster.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

But there's nothing in the standardized curriculum that prevents teachers from adding more texts to the unit. We live in an unfortunate golden age for persuasive texts that inspire terrible deeds - for example, kids could also read core #Pizzagate texts and connect the guy who shot up the pizza parlor to the racists who formed a 17th century lynchmob.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

But teachers are incredibly time-constrained. For one thing, at least a third of the AP classroom time seems to be taken up with detailed instructions for writing stilted, stylized "essays" for the AP tests (these are terrible writing, but they're easy to grade in a standardized way).

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

@[email protected] This is hugely debased compared to when I took AP English about 35 years ago (at the time it was one class and exam, predominantly English literature).

I know what the AP English rubric was then, because we had a couple practice exams graded by volunteers, and one of my parents was a volunteer reviewer for one AP English class at my school (not mine, so no conflicts of interest there).

That rubric emphasized making persuasive analysis of the chosen literature and giving good supporting details for your analysis. Essays did not have to follow a set format, except that they should flow logically and sensibly, clearly get to the point (so no filler or vague terms like "...is very important"), and be grammatically competent.

We definitely did not take 1/3 of the term drilling correct AP essay style. The practice exams (1 or 2) along with some class discussion were the sum total of in-school exam prep.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

@[email protected] @[email protected] Wow, this is … something. I took the AP English course and exam a bit longer ago. The class never covered the exam at all, just American literature and "how" to write. No practice exams, no rubrics. Same for AP History, which focused on European history. I did well on both exams, mostly because of the "how" to write part.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

@[email protected] @[email protected] In all the AP classes I took (late '80s) there was some review for the exam that involved practices, but it was mostly just going over what sorts of topics tended to be covered, with practice exams mostly covering how the exam worked rather than hyper-specific methods of trying to optimize scores (e.g., for AP English, what a typical literary critique/analysis question would look like and what it would ask). The AP English rubric I mentioned was the actual College Board grading rubric from exams administered a year or two beforehand, rather than an in-class preparation, which is part of the reason it came to mind as such a big difference from Cory's description of weeks upon weeks of fine-tuning essay style and format as part of AP English nowadays.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

@[email protected] @[email protected] And while we're on the subject: I know for a fact that at no point in my high school or college "generic expository writing experience" (through the early '90s) did I ever have to adhere to something like the "five paragraph essay format" that seems to be what people nowadays think of as an "essay", and which ChatGPT can regurgitate, with superficial content but absolutely perfect form. Of course, a lot of short essays I wrote would have been about 5 paragraphs long and would have followed a pattern of "intro, various supporting topics, conclusions", but through a dozen or more classes in English, history, and social sciences, where this sort of writing was routine, what mattered was actually being able to support an argument. The specific structural details were a lot less important. I'd like to think that's still very real at the college level; I'm rather less optimistic at the high school level in much of the US.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

@[email protected] @[email protected] I feel pretty lucky. Both AP classes, not regularly offered, were "rewards" for really good teachers who were given wide latitude to teach what they wanted to teach. I'm realizing now that it was a reward for me, too!

We have a teenager in high school currently. It is completely "teach to State/AP/whatever test", only proving Corey's points. And the high-stakes testing consumes at least a week of each semester.

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