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cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/700828

These early adopters found out what happened when a cutting-edge marvel became an obsolete gadget... inside their bodies.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Yeah... oof. I can't even imagine the potential liability nightmare of a third party trying to service them to keep them functional.

Maybe markets aren't the best way to heal people? Idk even if you insist on doing it maybe governments hold the patents and license them out for production or something?

Ephemeral legal structures (companies) and permanent modifications to someone's body seem like a match made in hell tbh. Don't get me wrong, I get why you would take a chance but this is gonna happen increasingly unless we fix now we approach prothesis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I uh don't think all medicine in software ;)

I hope that even in market driven hell we eventually wake up to the fact that companies funding the last few months of a few hundred thousand years of research efforts shouldn't entitle them to use it exclusively.

If nothing else belongs to everyone surely we can at least agree knowledge does? Like even people that spruke capitalism have to see how fucked it is to swoop in after generations of education and work and say "yoink". Then put a chip in someone who just wants a fuller life, restructure, and say "too bad so sad, line no go up enough".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

actually kill people for not releasing source code for medical devices, make it an actual capital offense. if someone cannot at will see the code in their own body, then their basic bodily autonomy has been undermined.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Toxic take on the situation my guy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's pretty blood thirsty. I doubt there are many people who are caught up in this being like "mwahahahaha screw the fools that trusted us". It's something that emerges from the legal structures we enforce.

Like maybe there are scientists who want to help these people but would be committing a serious crime if they released schematics and such. Even the founder probably wanted to get rich yes, but probably also help people.

I don't think we need to be killing people and it's kinda frightening that you go straight for that, I suspect if we dissolve the fucked up laws that force this sort of insane cruelty to happen almost everyone would be happy to work in an open and collaborative manner.

I never met a scientist who enjoyed handing over their work to some company.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

tech CEO's that refuse to release the source code of medical devices should be tried and convicted on crimes against humanity and face execution. only by releasing the source code can they be freed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

So it's not really that simple, I'm not saying what we have is good I'm just explaining why it sucks.

When they get investors, which unless you're extremely wealthy you need, you form contracts with them. Investors usually want a structure like A(owns IP) -> licences to -> B(makes the thing) so if B goes under the IP is protected from bankruptcy (which is total bs but that's companies for ya). The investors then invest knowing they own part of the IP so even if shit goes tits up they can horde the IP for use somewhere else.

So even if you want to release it you have dozens of extremely wealthy horrible people coming for you with lawyers. Since the USA takes copyright violation more seriously than murder and imposes a shitty hegemony on the world (with the consent and support of a lot of western nations) it's hard to do.

you really just need to remove the laws that allow this sort of bullshit and it'll go away. It's not really the CEO or whatever's fault, the legal environment companies operate in is completely fucked. Anger should be directed at corporate lobbying and politicians.

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