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Survey finds strong support for legislation aimed at further restricting and reducing tobacco use (michiganadvance.com)

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“Enough is enough. We cannot let Big Tobacco addict another generation of our kids. Our state laws are out of date and out of touch with what Michigan residents want and need to protect youth and advance racial and health equity,” said Minou Jones, founder of Making It Count and chair of the Detroit Wayne Oakland Tobacco-Free Coalition. “Coalitions in Detroit, Grand Rapids, Flint, Newaygo and other communities across the state are ready to help push this life-saving legislation over the finish line. We look forward to working with lawmakers from all corners of the state to end flavored tobacco sales, hold retailers accountable and put the health of all Michiganders ahead of tobacco industry profits.”

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

Fear mongering

Flavored vapes helped me quit smoking, they're a fantastic aid for harm reduction. I think this is counterproductive to society as a whole seeing as how kids shouldn't even have access to these things in the first place. Should probably just enforce the laws that are on the books already about selling to minors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I'll just call partial bullshit as I'm not exactly sure what the existing laws are regarding vaping and minors. Are persons of questionable age supposed to be "carded" like with alcohol? What is the vaping age in Michigan anyway? 16? 18? 21? In any case, how is this "counterproductive to society as a whole"?

Regarding your quitting smoking questionably thanks to flavored vapes: obviously we don't know each other and I don't know your exact circumstances but…

If you were using vapes (flavored or not) containing nicotine, then vaping was only a psychological crutch. Regardless of gradually decreasing nicotine intake or not, you one day made the decision to stop. Thinking otherwise is a fallacy: switching from a 12mg nicotine cigarette to a 10mg or 8mg cigarette in fact only leads to increased smoking.
If your vaping was nicotine-free, then again, vaping was again a crutch. Unless, you alternated between cigarettes and vaping, you quit the first time you chose to vape instead of smoking cigarettes.

In either case, congratulations. You are no longer a slave to nicotine. Be strong. Nicotine is a powerfully addictive substance with zero benefits. Be it smoking, vaping, gum or patches, a user stops only when they are ready. Like the old joke…

Q: How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Only one, but the light bulb has to want to change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The age to buy is 21. You talk about crutches like they're a bad thing. If people say it helped, it probably did. I gotta say, though, that I disagree with your stance on all this. People should be able to enjoy things even if they're unhealthy. I use vapes on and off. Every 6 months I'll stop or start using them. I just think they feel nice. I don't think the government should be able to take that away. Why do you want to control other people's choices about their own body so badly?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Easy, killer. I never said I want control of anything...well, except my life and the immediate surrounding area. Yes, I kind of do see vaping-as-aid as a crutch but moreso as a con, preying on people's weaknesses. If you want something flavored to occupy your mouth and lips, buy a bag of Dum-dums! But otherwise, by all means, continue to throw away your monies on whatever you like.

Again, sincerely, congrats on quitting smoking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, so just trade one "crutch" for another I guess. You know sugar is highly addictive as well, right? How much you want to bet obesity kills more kids every year than nicotine?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seriously? You're comparing sugar to nicotine? Suckers (the lollipop kind, not the vaping kind) are a major factor of obesity? I thought we were having a semi-intelligence discussion here but I guess not. Thanks anyway. Peace.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Fine with me, your arguments were spurious at best and I'm tired of trying to point that out to you.

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