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Who else do you want to pay for the defence of a country?
Because of course people are always reasonable and back people and policies that are in their interest.
It seems like by and large there's support in Russia for the invasion in Ukraine. They might not be willing to go to full mobilisation, but if they don't have to die themselves they're fine with the invasion.
Do you propose that the Ukrainians should stop fighting and plead with the Russian people to overthrow Putin?
Capital in Russia isn't controlled by a bourgeoisie structurally aligned with liberal values as in classic Marxism; it's controlled by an oligarchy descended partly from imperialist Soviet officials (e.g. Mr. Putin of the KGB) and partly from organized crime.
People in the US certainly didn't manage that in 2003.
Why move on to an unrelated topic from 20 years ago?
If the people in the US have proved themselves incapable of "informing themselves better" (despite having far better sources of information to do it with), why are Russians on the hook for not doing so?
Besides... one should be careful what one asks for - if the people of the world were to "inform themselves better," it would be the US that gets treated as a "hostile and rogue nation."
Restating your whataboutism in more and different words doesn’t change its fundamental vacuousness.
Nope... still seems as relevant to the conversation as it was the first time I stated it.
Here, let me help keep you on track... if the people in the US have proved themselves incapable of “informing themselves better” (despite having far better sources of information to do it with), why are Russians on the hook for not doing so?
If you believe that Americans should've been better informed, then you surely agree the same applies to Russians at the current time, right? Why, then, focus attention on something from 20 years ago instead of the active, ongoing situation in Ukraine?
Whataboutism is a way of derailing a discussion with a seemingly related, but actually irrelevant, side point. Which is what you're doing.
I also believe that the moon being made out of cheddar would have been great for cheese-lovers here on Earth - that doesn't mean I expect to find moon rocks in the diary aisle.
Whine about whataboutism all you want - it's not going to stop me from pointing out your hypocritical double-standards.