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submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[-] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm almost certain that if something like this happened to any fediverse instance - that a local police enforcement would contact the admin and asked for user's data, which they are required by law to provide or they would go to jail/get a hefty fine and possibly a criminal record, they would do that too. That's also why E2E is required, to prevent such problems for instance admins - but then again, there's really nothing you can do against local law, and if it requires that you have to be able to cooperate, well... Then there's not much the admin can do, without putting himself in a real risk of prosecution, because he is breaking the law by have E2E.

That's also a good reason to be careful when selecting your home instance, and making sure that you choose one in a country that has all right laws in that regard.

Of course, that's assuming the police makes contact. I don't suppose that the admins would be searching through the DMs of people to snitch on them. And if Meta is doing that preemtively and is actively snitching on people - that's downright evil.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

E2E is technically illegal for any interstate communications in the USA, since refusal to comply with a wiretap order will put you in jail for contempt, regardless of whether the medium allows for interception or not.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

How do communication apps get away with E2E in the US then? Is there a backdoor that allow for companies to comply or does law enforcement seek alternative means of obtaining the information?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There aren't any US based e2e messaging or voice services as far as I know.

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