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submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Relevant due to the Canadian monument that was recently defaced. Image via [email protected].

This is a plea not to whitewash Ukraine's nazi past or minimize the fascist presence in its forces, but to defend its people from fascism and imperialism. Anarchists and Communists are fighting for the Ukrainian people against Russia, and are calling for solidarity.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This post mirrors similar posts made in /c/[email protected] and /c/[email protected] where the user making the post was trying to assert that Canada welcomes Nazi soldiers. You can skim my profile for comments I've made on those posts within the last 24hs if you want a bit of context.

Both of the original posts were deleted from their respective communities so trying to follow the comments leads to an error page informing you that the post could not be found.

Here are some screenshots I have of the users' partially censored usernames and the associated post titles which are very similar to the wording in the title used here (I'm using censored names because I'm unsure if naming users is against the rules).
lemmygrad user posting to /c/[email protected]
lemmynsfw user posting to /c/[email protected]

I'm guessing that this is getting pushed due to a recent incident involving a Canadian House of Commons speaker, and trolls have been trying to push Ukrainians as Nazis since then.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

this is getting pushed

My stance is clear from the post body text and my post history.

Representing concern about fascism in Ukraine as a narritive only shared by pro-Putin trolls is tacit support for nazism. Your kind of propaganda is harming support for Ukraine in the west. Please stop.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The issue is with conflating people from an event which occurred in the 1950s and associating it with groups of people alive currently, to me these two things are distinctly different from each other, and I wouldn't link these two things together.

Events related WWII feel irrelevant anything going on today, it's been ~75 years since then and the majority of people from that time period are already dead or >90 years old. Their actions were not influenced by people born decades after the fact, and it feels incorrect to link the two groups together. Multiple generations of people have been born in that time span further distancing people from older ideologies.

By David Pugliese Over the years some Ukrainian Canadians have staunchly defended the 14th SS Division Galicia. They have falsely claimed that Ukrainians who served in the division were conscripted, when in reality 80,000 volunteered and 13,000 were selected. Other apologists argue that the divisio...

With the title of the article/post, and the summary shown on desktop, it looked like this was just another post associating Canada with accepting Nazis/implying that people with Ukranian nationality are Nazis due to the phrasing of the title being similar to the titles used by the lemmygrad/lemmynsfw users.

It's my fault for skimming the rest of the post body, it looked that was a generic image caption crediting a photographer, followed by a short paragraph copied from the article.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

to me these two things are distinctly different from each other, and I wouldn’t link these two things together.

There's a Shona proverb, "The axe forgets what the tree remembers" - There are still holocaust survivors alive today, and they and their descendants continue to remember the actions of Ukrainian fascists. To many of them the Nazi history and Azov symbols and rhetoric are inexorably linked. Maybe consider whether it should be a bigger deal to you, now that murderers are coming for people you care about. Will you stay silent if Canada erects a monument to Wagner veterans in 50 years?

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