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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (36 children)

Capitalism is the state controlled by the capital owners with the workers repressed.

Socialism is the state controlled by the workers with the capital owners repressed.

They are literally hard opposites. One is a bourgeoise-state and the other is a proletarian-state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (30 children)

I learned that “capitalism” is an economic system, not a system of government.

So you could have a socialist state that funds essentials like healthcare and transportation through taxes with a market (capitalist) economy.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

That's not a socialist state. It's a capitalist state with welfare. If the political structure of the state itself has not been reworked to put the workers in power what you're describing is just a state where the bourgeoisie (who control power) have decided to do welfare, usually for their own benefit such as reducing revolutionary energy by providing the workers with concessions (the welfare state). That is social democracy.

You do not have socialism without overthrowing the hierarchy that places the bourgeoisie as the ruling class:

Capitalism = Capitalists in power. Proles repressed.

Socialism = Proletariat in power. Capitalists repressed.

Communism = No more classes, only 1 class because the bourgeoisie have been completely phased out.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

This just made China's system click in my mind. Thanks Awoo

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