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If the descentralization of social networks continue, we will have to prepare for the eventual rise of the instances wars, where people will start to fight about which instance is better and which one is weird to be in and so on, but that's for the future of us all.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (27 children)

This will likely follow a similar pattern to email, since it's starting from a very similar position.

At some point people will begin to assign identities to instances and imagine (rightly or wrongly) that being on an instance says something about a person. People do that with cars, shoes, and yes, even email domains.

From a technical perspective, right now Lemmy is as anonymous as can be — I've yet to see an instance that requires ANY kind of verification. I didn't need to provide an email address, phone number, or any other identifying information to sign up. Didn't even need to solve a captcha. I just choose a name and set a password and BOOM! I was in.

Once upon a time, email worked this way, too. Then came the spammers, scammers, and other bad actors, and this was deemed untenable. Nowadays, any email provider that allows anonymous signup is likely to be blocked by most of the email-using world. You won't be able to use them to sign up for other services, and you might not even have your mail accepted by other providers.

This will definitely become a problem as Lemmy becomes popular, and instance admins will need to crack down, lest they be overrun and defederated by the rest of the world.

I'm not sure what the answer is. This is a problem that has not been adequately solved, IMHO. A few bad apples spoil the bunch. That's been true since long before the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

From a technical perspective, right now Lemmy is as anonymous as can be — I've yet to see an instance that requires ANY kind of verification. I didn't need to provide an email address, phone number, or any other identifying information to sign up

Not exactly anonymous...

Lemmy will most likely go the way of 4chan, they'll ban connections from all major VPN services and start banning users via IP.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure that it's a little more complicated than that with a federated network. Since you can host your own lemmy instance you could hide your information behind that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd guess it's a mix of your post and the parent post. Lemmy instances will have a user verification policy and de-federate with instances that differ too much. So the Lemmy instances with emai verification and 2FA will eventually de-federate from an instance that wants to be anonymous and has zero requirements for creating an account.

Maybe curse me for bringing the idea up, could a Lemmy instance exclusively use Facebook's login features? So that you have to use "login with Facebook account" to create a Lemmy user on the instance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe curse me for bringing the idea up, could a Lemmy instance exclusively use Facebook’s login features? So that you have to use “login with Facebook account” to create a Lemmy user on the instance?

Oh god.

I don't think the Lemmy code base supports that yet, but adding OAuth support is a natural thing to do at some point. I guess if you were dedicated you could hack it together yourself in your own instance even now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As horrible as it is the implementation would take Facebook only a few days since lemmy is open source. The "problem" with an open system ist that basically everybody can join

Facebook will definitely hide behind a Facebook logins defederate everything that they don't like to "protect" their users.

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