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I wonder who do they think that pays for car infrastructure (gas stations, roads, road patches, gas subsidies, etc.)
Gas Stations pay for themselves. Otherwise its also tax based.
Still completely free public transport is not a good idea instead of investing in a high quality offering. (Higher Frequencies, Better Vehicles, more dense network). Because People usually take the car because it is more convenient, its always more expensive than public transport.
And in the past, free offerings have just diminished people walking or taking the bicycle, but no shift Car>Public Transit
Oh, so there is one thing it doesn't help with (do you have a source on that? In Europe plz) according to you, so it's all bad.
Typical propagandist angle.
You mean Like in Tallin, Estonia?
https://news.err.ee/1608136915/audit-report-free-county-public-transport-has-not-fulfilled-goals
Or with the 9€ Ticket in Germany?
https://www.diw.de/de/diw_01.c.869821.de/9-euro-ticket_hat_menschen_nicht_nachhaltig_zum_umstieg_vom_auto_in_bus_und_bahn_bewegt.html
The Countries with a high Share of Public Transport in the Modal Split like Switzerland have one Thing in Common, an extremely dense, Frequent and reliable public Transport System. The price isn't Just that important,
Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't make it "Propagandist".
(I travel exclusively by Public Transport and I would love to have the Same quality as in Switzerland, but here everyone wants stupid cOmPeTiTiOn and lOw pRiCe Bro, and the quality in Germany is horrible. Montpellier is also not great, I've visited many Times for Holidays, and during the day it's okay, but the Tram Service terminates way to early in the evening. The prices were also already very cheap before it went "free")
Well, of course a ticket, that was limited to three months did not have a lasting effect on car usage. No one would sell their car and switch to public transport because of such a short, temporary price reduction. Even the follow up ticket (costing 49€ currently) is only guaranteed for a year at a time, then the government has to discuss funding again with the federal states. To have people switch from cars completely, it has to be a long term alternative.
But even if only some trips are now done with public transport instead of car, it is still an improvement.
I agree with you, that a good quality is also important, but I don't think it will happen, if the financing for improving the quality has to be primarily via ticket pricing.
Dude, in the first link straight away:
That does not mean it didn't reduce them.
You even sounds more like a propagandist with your :
Lol get your facts right, then we can discuss.
Then you say the tram in Montpellier isn't good, like what on earth does that have to do with anything? And FYI I actually lived there for around 6 years, and yes the tram was slow and doesn't work well when it rains, but that was the case before it became free . Your point?
You are just word-salading to hide that you are wrong lol.
Yes that's explicitly what they meant. Most new passengers were people who were Walking or cycling before, but not a Lot of people who were driving before
That you should Invest the funds used for free Public Transport in improving the Network and it's quality.
Don't get me wrong, you should still offer cheap/free Tickets to People who need them, but nothing wrong to collect additional funds to finance the system
Most. Not all or nothing. So your initial statement is still wrong.
Also, why pay it with ticket sales which costs more than raw taxes?