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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (35 children)

Great. Glad to see that we're learning nothing here. If I wasn't pushed into despair by the election results, seeing progressives respond this way to the loss might push me over the edge.

We are a bigoted country, no doubt. But, our working class is struggling. People are inherently good, inherently bad, brilliant, dumb, and all sorts of combinations of those. Material conditions, messaging, and framing all work together in bringing out these different sides of ourselves both at the societal and individual level.

Responding to this loss with "the only way to win is to be racist" is basically just giving up and saying the fascists are right. If we decide to roll over and die because we're too chickenshit to fight, too cynical to have any imagination, and too self-pitying to even lift a finger, the most vulnerable of us (which includes me) will perish.

We HAVE to be better than this.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Responding to this loss with “the only way to win is to be racist” is basically just giving up and saying the fascists are right.

And the joke is that Dems will still lose on these terms, because they are already branded the Woke party. Might as well try and out-racist the KKK as the GOP. It's not a race Dems are in a position to win. All they can do is shed even more of their base to Jill Stein and Uncommitted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What's hilarious is the Dems are branded as woke not because of their politicians but because of their average voters are. You can convince a conservative voter that a (D) politician is not woke but they still won't vote for him because only woke people vote (D). Dems would have to purge some of their most fanatical supporters to win those conservative votes.

Imagine suggesting the Democrats tell people with the "In this house we believe..." signs to take those signs down. For some reason people are taking this suggestion seriously instead of immediately dismissing it as either inane babbling or deliberate sabotage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Dems would have to purge some of their most fanatical supporters to win those conservative votes.

That appears to be exactly what they did, as of last week

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