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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (24 children)

comment from friend:

Slightly related: now I know when the AI crash is going to happen. Every bottomfeeder recruiter company on LinkedIn is suddenly pushing 2-month contract technical writer positions with AI companies with no product, no strategy, and no idea of how to proceed other than “CEO cashes out.” I suspect the idea is to get all of their documentation together so they can sell their bags of magic beans before the beginning of the holiday season.

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I have asked if he can send me links to a few of these, I'll see what I can do with 'em

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Current flavor AI is certainly getting demystified a lot among enterprise people. Let's dip our toes into using an LLM to make our hoard of internal documents more accessible, it's supposed to actually be good at that, right? is slowly giving way to "What do you mean RAG is basically LLM flavored elasticsearch only more annoying and less documented? And why is all the tooling so bad?"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

“What do you mean RAG is basically LLM flavored elasticsearch only more annoying and less documented? And why is all the tooling so bad?”

Our BI team is trying to implement some RAG via Microsoft Fabrics and Azure AI search because we need that for whatever reason, and they've burned through almost 10k for the first half of the running month already, either because it's just super expensive or because it's so terribly documented that they can't get it to work and have to try again and again. Normal costs are somewhere around 2k for the whole month for traffic + servers + database and I haven't got the foggiest what's even going on there.

But someone from the C suite apparently wrote them a blank check because it's AI ...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Confucius, the Buddha, and Lao Tzu gather around a newly-opened barrel of vinegar.

Confucius tastes the vinegar and perceives bitterness.

The Buddha tastes the vinegar and perceives sourness.

Lao Tzu tastes the vinegar and perceives sweetness, and he says, "Fellas, I don't know what this is but it sure as fuck isn't vinegar. How much did you pay for it?"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

What do you mean RAG is basically LLM flavored elasticsearch

I always saw it more as LMGTFYaaS.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

RAG

The fuck's a rag in an AI context

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's the technique of running a primary search against some other system, then feeding an LLM the top ~25 or so documents and asking it for the specific answer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you run a normal query but then run the results through an enshittifier to make sure nothing useful is actually returned to the user.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

so, uh, you remember AskJeeves?

(alternative answer: the third buzzword in a row that’s supposed to make LLMs good, after multimodal and multiagent systems absolutely failed to do anything of note)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

NSFW (including funny example, don't worry)RAG is "Retrieval-Augmented Generation". It's a prompt-engineering technique where we run the prompt through a database query before giving it to the model as context. The results of the query are also included in the context.

In a certain simple and obvious sense, RAG has been part of search for a very long time, and the current innovation is merely using it alongside a hard prompt to a model.

My favorite example of RAG is Generative Agents. The idea is that the RAG query is sent to a database containing personalities, appointments, tasks, hopes, desires, etc. Concretely, here's a synthetic trace of a RAG chat with Batman, who I like using as a test character because he is relatively two-dimensional. We ask a question, our RAG harness adds three relevant lines from a personality database, and the model generates a response.

> Batman, what's your favorite time of day?
Batman thinks to themself: I am vengeance. I am the night.
Batman thinks to themself: I strike from the shadows.
Batman thinks to themself: I don't play favorites. I don't have preferences.
Batman says: I like the night. The twilight. The shadows getting longer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe hot take, but I actually feel like the world doesn't need strictly speaking more documentation tooling at all, LLM / RAG or otherwise.

Companies probably actually need to curate down their documents so that simpler thinks work, then it doesn't cost ever increasing infrastructure to overcome the problems that previous investment actually literally caused.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Companies probably actually need to curate down their documents so that simpler thinks work, then it doesn’t cost ever increasing infrastructure to overcome the problems that previous investment actually literally caused

Definitely, but the current narrative is that you don't need to do any of that, as long as you add three spoonfulls of AI into the mix you'll be as good as.

Then you find out what you actually signed up for is to do all the manual preparation of building an on-premise search engine to query unstructured data, and you still might end up with a tool that's only slightly better than trying to grep a bunch of pdfs at the same time.

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