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Yeah, three starters out because of suspensions, and fans getting arrested because they’re throwing up militant far-right Nationalist hand signs in Germany of all places. Good luck I guess, but it was a wrap before the first whistle.
I’m not gonna discuss my nationality symbol. Here I am; a non right wing (even hater) Turkish.
And there’s also you, a hidden fascist.
Even the fact that BILD announced Merih’s suspension 1 day before our defense approves how “free” is UEFA and how “justice” Germany is.
I just want to say this truth: even though a right wing party trying to internalize this (they always do because they need a mainstay), %80 of Turkish people use it for pure Turkish symbol. Do whatever you want with this info.
the fact that "80% of Turkish people use it for pure Turkish symbol", when it is clearly associated with a paramilitary fascist group, should really make you think about why Turkey isn't looked upon nicely by the EU in general. And I'm frankly surprised that even as a "non right wing Turkish", you still think it's fine to use the symbols that are now widely associated with that political group. I can't think of a world where I, an Italian, would use the Roman salute because it's a "patriotic" salute and because "everyone does it here" (even if a large majority of Italians don't, thank god).
We didn’t have Hitler in our history though. You can’t compare roman salute with wolf gesture. It’s like “we should ban knives because some minorities can kill people with it”.
We can’t beg Europe to like us either. Europeans are uncomfortable with the fact that we just exist. Should we also disappear? Just to make them pleasant?
As I know, Italia also symbolizes wolfs. What if one day Germany says “wolf is fascist Turkish symbol, you will not use it”, what would you think?
I’m pretty sure you would say “yes daddy Germany uWu I won’t 🙏🙏”
Turks committed genocide towards Armenians (and are still perpetrating one against Kurds).
It's not about existence, it's about extremism and authocracy making its way into Europe. I don't think any European looks at Hungary with respect, either.
Wolves are not correlated, at least in Italy, to paramilitary fascist organisation responsible for war crimes. And, of course, there's always a degree of interpretation: a wolf is a wolf, a wolf salute is a reminder of the violent recent history of Turkey and its accommodation into the reality of "the normal".
I believe Turkey is a wonderful country, but there's definitely better ways to show patriotism than to resort to extremist political affiliation for doing it. Like, I don't know, a Turkish flag?