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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (25 children)

I'll keep my ICE and ride a bike. I'll still do less environmental damage than you because I am human powered for all but the trips to the mountains, and then I don't have to worry about being stranded without a plug.

And I have yet to hear a convincing argument that taking my perfectly working vehicle off the road to buy another manufactured product is still more environmentally friendly than... not buying anything at all.

I don't give a fuck about initial torque. I'm going to be laughing in my wheetabix when there's not a single EV older than a decade on their original batteries.

Downvotes don't make me wrong, chuds.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

And I have yet to hear a convincing argument that taking my perfectly working vehicle off the road to buy another manufactured product is still more environmentally friendly than... not buying anything at all.

That’s because nobody is making that argument. The only statement I’ve ever heard from environmentalists/scientists is that the most beneficial thing to do is keep your old ICE car and maintain it well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if this was a thing anywhere else but in some UK cities like London there were "scrappage schemes" that incentivised scrapping your car to replace it with something more efficient, which I always thought was missing the point

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

We had that in the US too, commonly called “cash for clunkers.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System

But I think it was really more about the economic stimulus than the environmental impact. But I’m sure the environmental side helped justify it.

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