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[–] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago (17 children)

Geez... Project managers are forbidden from making work estimates- they only get to collect them.

They don't get to argue estimates either. They can ask questions to gain understanding but the estimates are the estimates.

Wearing an architect or chief engineer hat is sometimes more fun because you get to call bullshit on dumb estimates like "4 to 5 weeks to model a table with 7 fields, with 2 of them being PK, FK" like GTFO we can model it in the next 5 minutes if I talk slowly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I've had PM's complain that our estimates don't fit into their plan.

I just walked away.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If the timing is critical then the only reasonable solution is to cut scope and features until it fits.

The triangle isn't a rubbery floppy thing, it is iron!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They fully subscribed to the mythical man month. So they just threw bodies at it and then couldn't understand why the project got slower.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand your statement. The Mythical Man Month teaches exactly that lesson of more bodies != Faster in many cases.

How long to build the site with 1 full stack dev? 1.5 years.

How long with an existing high performance team of 5? 2 months.

How long if you hire 4 plus the one original (all qualified)? 1 to 1.5 years.

How long if we hire 30 full stack devs? Maybe never.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Poorly worded on my part.

They fully bought into the idea of the man-month without realising it was mythical.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

You know? I literally figured that out a minute before I saw your reply. And I rolled my eyes at myself.

That makes sense. Silly me

Cheers

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