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‘There wasn’t enough about the horror’: Hiroshima survivors react to Oppenheimer
(www.theguardian.com)
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That's probably why the movie was titled Oppenheimer and not Hiroshima & Nagasaki, because the movie was focused on the man and his work and the regrets that came from that work, while nations celebrated the end of a second World War.
This movie was the type of movie that was always going to upset someone, and while it sucks that Japanese citizens were killed, their Emperor's military might was a brutally murderous raping scourge set loose on that section of the world, while also working with some of the other worst regimes of the world. Overall Japan fucked around and attacked first, did a lot of horrible shit to many different peoples, made some truly horrible friends, and then found out in one of the most devastating ways possible, I feel bad for the innocent civilians, but it was always ever going to end the way it did, if not a lot worse.
I'm just glad Japan grew to be what it is now and that it chose better ways to engage with the world than more attempts at domination, even though Anime, Manga, video games, and more have dominated the world's hearts.
This takeaway is mythologization of America's most reprehensible act.
We murdered 210,000 civilians because of a perceived threat to capitalism.
While I'm not defending the use of the bombs as bargaining chips, Japan would have suffered the same fate as Germany under Soviet rule. North Japan and South Japan, alongside a Tokyo Wall, would have not been just a "threat to capitalism".
So it's better to melt the faces off of hundreds of thousands of innocent people than to risk a two state solution?
They weren't innocent, they were willing and eager subjects of a fascist state that had killed over 20 million Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos amongst others, and there was never a chance of it being two state solution.
If there's a reason Truman dropped the bomb as an "anti-communist" measure it was to just to irredeemably prove we had them and it wasn't propaganda.
In the real world, however, Imperial Japan was an irrational state that was trying to force a conditional surrender in a war the leaders never thought they could win in the first place.
The USA waited three days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki for a surrender. It didn't happen. That alone proves there wasn't one coming from other circumstances.
Just no. Tens of thousands of those killed were children and babies.
Massacring civillians using the excuse that they "all" are collectively responsible for their leadership is a war crime. You're in very bad company. Osama Bin Laden explicitly used that same excuse for 9/11. Israel is using it now for Gaza.
In the documentary Fog of War McNamara admits that him and Curtis May were essentially behaving as war criminals.
There's absolutely no reason to try to carve out this weird moral exception for the US in its slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civillians at Hiroshima and Nagisaki.
There is no shame in learning from the mistakes of the past.
Are you a willing and eager subject to the current genocide being funded with your taxpayer dollars?
So you acknowledge that public dissent had violent repercussions, but that somehow equates that all civilians were willing supporters and valid targets? That's an amazing display of doublethink. Paired with the ad hominem, you've shown yourself completely impotent.
Something tells me you spend a lot less of your time worrying about what the Red Army did marching through Poland than what a bomb did to fascist collaborators.
Strawman to finish things off nice!
Are you under the impression you've been making logically rigorous arguments?
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"They" were civilians. You may have had a point if they nuked strictly military targets, but they didn't, they nuked two major civilian centers and they placed the epicenter of the blast in such a position so as to cause maximum carnage.
Any argument that it was anti Soviet (and that that makes it acceptable somehow) or that it was necessary is just atrocity apologia.
It’s true. We could have proven the existence of the bombs without killing anyone.
Perhaps what we were proving was our own brutality though.
What do you think the 20 million victims of Imperial Japan were?
Who do you think invented the concept of total war?
Who do you think initially agreed to abide by the Geneva Conventions and then immediately betrayed them?
How many civilians do you think would have died in a ground invasion?
Don't want to get your people bombed, don't start bombing people. You want to feel sad for the loss of people trapped by environmental circumstance in more than one way, knock yourself out, but their blood was on Hirohito and his government's hands the moment their dumbasses decided to invade their "subhuman" neighbors.
So they deserved it, because their government did terrible things.
You understand that they lived under immense propaganda. Right? They deserved it just as much as the people of East Asia deserved the atrocities committed against them by the Japanese Imperial military.
Would you support nuking Moscow, Jerusalem, or DC? Why not?
Well, the most serious reason not to use any nukes today is because more than one army has them, so they can’t be used in a finite way.