this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2024
1102 points (96.8% liked)

Science Memes

11148 readers
3304 users here now

Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!

A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.



Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.

This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.



Research Committee

Other Mander Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Practical and Applied Sciences

Memes

Miscellaneous

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 3 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

Back when I was in college, people didn't like fluoride because it calcifies the pinneal gland. I assume that rhetoric has only been further exaggerated over the years

[–] [email protected] 2 points 30 minutes ago

It does do this. However so does ageing, low sunlight exposure, low altitude, ethnicity, sex, nutrition, neuro-divergence, cell phone use, EM fields... you get the idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

This is a conspiracy by fluoridians.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

Thats what the fluoridiots say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 minutes ago

thanks Ron DeSantooth

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

Agreed but can we turn down the chloramine valve? It tastes awful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah but I read an article on a bullshit website. I think some no name website knows more than a toxicologist

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Great post... but where is the meme?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Without Fluoride all the humour in the world dies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The people who need to hear this sadly would not believe that too much water can kill you even if you showed them someone die from it, I fear. I'd also be shocked if they read "water poisoning" and didn't think of poisoned water.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I didn’t know this was a thing when I was younger, but not young enough to not be classified as a moron.

Drank about 7-8 litres of water in 3 hours without going to the bathroom as a contest against a work colleague. Suffice to say I started feeling a little off on the way home, even after going to the bathroom. Years later I finally learned you can drown yourself from drinking too much and the symptoms were eerily close to what I experienced that night.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

Oh don't get me wrong! I also only learned about water toxicity when I was very much an adult.

But the difference between us and the type of person I'm talking about, is that we (I'm presuming on your part) don't think fluoride in water is a bad thing.

The kind of person who hears "the government adds CHEMICAL_NAME to water" and assumes that's a bad thing is the kind of person who will not believe drinking too much water can kill you, even (or especially) if they are told by an expert.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

How much oatmeal would I have to eat to die of fluoride poisoning?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like I woke up in the movie Dr. Strangelove

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago

I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Second time I got to post this today, unfortunately because it's almost ceased being satire.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? And what if someone ignores that, simply lies and says it's toxic? I'm convinced!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago

And both of these people telling me about fluoride in water are both experts in their field. One an expert toxicologist, and the other an expert liar. Now I don't know what to believe.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

This is a better argument than the one in the post. No one is worried about acute toxicity of fluoride but rather long term. But it's not long term toxic, doesn't accumulate in the body, and is only present in very low amounts in water. However it should be enough to use fluoridated toothpaste to get the positive effects.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I don't understand your point.

Nobody drinks the ocean. Fluoride is barely active topically. Most humans rarely if at all swim in the ocean.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 53 minutes ago

Talking about the ocean is odd, but there are towns in the UK (and most countries I'd assume?) where the natural level of fluoride is higher than the concentration they aim for when adding fluoride. I think that's a pretty good argument for it being safe - the people of Hartlepool have been drinking fluoride rich water for 13 centuries and don't have any noticeable issues compared to the rest OF County Durham.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah. It's not an entirely salient point. It does, however, underline the ubiquitous nature of fluorine.

The biggest source of Flourine in the environment is just the normal weathering of rocks that contain it. The biggest of the anthropogenic sources include brick production, phosphate fertiliser application and coal burning.

The minor amount added to drinking water really wouldn't be the biggest issue if it was as toxic as it's made out to be.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

So, once again, DHMO is the chemical we need to fear.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Any chemical that can exist as a solid, a liquid and a gas at the same time isn't safe to put into our bodies!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The stuff also known as hydric acid. People just don't talk enough about how corrosive it is. Plus, it gets in the air and gets in your lungs!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

It’s 10 million times more acidic than drain cleaner!!! And the government is trying to force you to drink it by forcing it to be used in municipal drinking fountains

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

It’s so pervasive that they have found it in the bodies of every single child worldwide.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

There was an incident involving it on April 14th 1912 that took over 1500 lives.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 200 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

Toxicologist here. I think that take is dishonest or dumb.

Taking a lethal dose is almost never the concern with any substance in our drinking water.

Hormones, heavy metals, persistent organic chemicals, ammonia are all in our drinking water. But for all of them we can't drink enough water to die from a high dose.

Some of them still have a large effect on our bodies.

It's about the longterm effects. Which longterm studies to learn about. That makes them harder to study.

Still doesn't mit flouride does anything bad longerm. But the argument is bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, it seems to me like he got the right idea and wanted to convince people by making an extreme statement..

[–] [email protected] 91 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

Yeah, by this argument lead in the water isn't a concern.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 15 hours ago

You just made me mad by helping me realize that the Trump bros are going to break water by removing fluoride long before they fix water by removing lead.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago

i know this guy has a fancy degree and everything, but is he really as reliable a source as rfk junior? you don’t need fluoride when you have an army of worms ready to eat any kinds of bacteria that may enter your system.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

The fluoride added to water gets it up to 0.7mg/liter.

That ends up to be 2 or 3 drops in a 55 gallon drums worth of water. Not much.

Fluoride is a natural substance and is found in many areas drinking water already. Many areas in much higher concentrations than 0.7mg/liter, so realistically people all over the world have drank fluoridated water for thousands of years.

You have to well over double the 0.7 before any health issues may appear and the first to appear is at about triple the concentration in kids under 8 years old who drink it for years getting spots on their teeth. The spots are only superficial.

Going into concentrations even higher than that CAN cause health issues when drank for longer periods of time. All of those cases being from naturally occurring fluoride, which actually effects somewhere north of 20% of the world's population.

Which makes the argument that fluoride in our water keeps us passive as being extra stupid, since water sourced around Columbia (the country) is far higher than .07mg/liter and Columbia seems to be caught in violence and turmoil and instability quite a bit over the decades.

*edit: Colombia

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

Just because a concentration is low doesn’t mean it’s safe. Water with 0.7 mg/L of Po-210 is lethal.

You can put an amount of it in a 55 gallon drum that is not visible

It’s a natural substance

Fluoride is in fact safe at the amounts that the FDA regulates but saying it’s a small concentration or that it’s natural are not the reasons it’s safe. It’s the hundreds of peer reviewed research articles that show that it’s safe

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›