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I have a WebDav server that contains some movies and shows. I use Infuse on Apple stuff and NOVA Video Player on Android to watch these. The directory is not organized, file names aren't manually adjusted, and the movies and shows are mixed together. Yet, both of these programs are able to index recursively, get metadata, create a library and let me watch my media without issues.

Kodi, on the other hand, seems to be unable to index nested directories, requires you to tell it what type of media is in the individual directories and cannot identify anything correctly unless I go and manually rename directories/files. It also is exclusive for TV usage and not very suitable for desktop.

So, are there alternative programs to Kodi, ideally better suited to desktop usage or extensions I can install to make it work properly?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

kodi is best as a front-end for an already curated library. ive used it extensively since the xbmc days...

i use mediaelch to scrape, generate metadata files and rename files and folders into a standard way. it [can] generate things in a kodi-compatible format. kodi is set to just pull in that data. i concurrently use emby (jellyfin) to access that same metadata.

your problem is conflating the curation of your library with the applications that will use it.

kodi does need a full computer to run. thats where emby comes in. its for viewing the same shit on any other device

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

your problem is conflating the curation of your library with the applications that will use it.

This is not some extremely hard job that's way out of the scope of a media center. As I said, other platforms already have applications that can do this without breaking a sweat. I've never had to manually organize my files in years in any other platform.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

i cant even imagine wanting a mess of stuff as you describe, or expecting some media app to manage that mess on the fly. but hey, if thats how you want it. good luck.

ive got 2500 movies and > 35,000 episodes in my library.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the mediaelch tip !

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

The directory is not organized, file names aren't manually adjusted, and the movies and shows are mixed together

Disgusting

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there a reason you don't want the files organized? Id suggest using radarr or something else to organize them first.

As an alternative to kodi, jellyfin is great.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Kodi is a frontend.

Jellyfin is a server.

Jellyfin is not a replacement for Kodi. Jellyfin would replace OPs WebDAV server, but that's not the question being asked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just organize your library properly and pretty much every software will manage it better. There are options for organizing and renaming them mostly automatically, like EastTAG or filebot. Some people use Sonarr and Radarr to organize shows and movies, but those are probably overkill for you. The various *arrs will be more useful if you're consuming new media through a server hosting Plex or Jellyfin. Kodi is also a waste if the library isn't already meticulously organized and you don't need a 10 foot interface.

If you're only consuming on desktop and you insist on being disorganized, then why even bother with anything other than VLC? It runs on Linux, Windows, iOS, and Android.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People keep talking about needing to "organize your library" but what do you mean by that? Is metadata tagging sufficient? Or does Kodi care about filenames and directory structure?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sonarr puts shows in

  • show folder
  • season folder
  • show name - S01E01 - episode name.mp4
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait, is this not standard practice?

I've always organized media files this way; I index my music similarly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Which is why most people don't even realize this is a requirement. Also lots of us come from a time before these fancy players, so we needed to sort things out this way in order to find what we wanted.

To me, having a library be just files thrown in a folder regardless of show/movie/etc seems very messy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (21 children)

I was a long time Kodi user from back when it was called XBMC.

About 5 years ago I got tired of messing about with managing media, editing config files and installing addons. Moved to Emby first, and now I am on Jellyfin. No media management required, the backend server does it all for me and the front end is great, never gives me any problems and plays everything. I run the front end on multiple Nvidia Shields with no performance issues.

I’d manage your media better with movies and TV in separate parent folders and not all mixed together. When you setup Jellyfin, you point it at a folder and tell it what media type it is. Mixing up different media types in the same folder structure just makes things harder than they need to be for no gain.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I used Kodi with LibreElec for years in a similar setup. It was nice... but in practice I didn't really use the "cool" functionalities (like indexing, image preview, Web remote control, etc) so instead I checked how Kodi works and noticed DLNA. I saw that my favorite video player, namely VLC, supports DLNA. I then looking for DLNA server on Linux, found few and stuck to the simplest I found, namely minidlna. It's quite basic, at the least the way I use it, but for my usage it's enough :

  • install VLC on clients, including Android video projector, phones, XR HMDs, etc
  • install minidlna on server (RPi5)
  • configure minidlna to serve the right directory with subdirectories ( /var/lib/minidlna by default )
  • configure few extra software that get videos to push them (via scp script and ssh-key) to rpi5:/var/lib/minidlna/

voila... very reliable setup (been using for more than a year on a daily basis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The directory is not organized, file names aren’t manually adjusted, and the movies and shows are mixed together.

Sounds like a nightmare for me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I use Jellyfin in conjunction with Kodi. Basically I only have Kodi as front-end, as it treats subtitles better than the Jellyfin client does. Works great.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Long time Kodi user, since it first came out on the original xbox.

Assuming you are a watch and delete person then for films you really do not need more that a seperate folder than you dump films AND only films into and make sure that the film name is correct AND it includes the accurate year for the film. Vast majority of downloads will already have this in place, I never have to bother to rename or move films about as they just go straight into my download folder that Kodi is looking for my watch and delete films. Older versions of Kodi used to be much more annoying for film scanning requiring proper spacing and so on. However its very very important that only films go into this directory otherwise it will fuck up if you start dumping TV programs into here.

TV is much more complex if Kodi is doing the metadata scanning as it normally relies on the top level folder name, and a proper season and episode numbering scheme. If you watching TV I would just switch to a managed downloader like sonarr, its a PITA to manually manage weekly show downloads anyway and sonarr will sort everything out for you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Stremio, stopped using Kodi ever since.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

None.

If somebody is using Kodi they're probably running in a kiosk style. On my install I don't even have XOrg or Wetland installed. Kodi is just running on kernel level graphics buffers (GBM).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was asking the op what desktop environment they’re running, in response to their question

So, are there alternative programs to Kodi, ideally better suited to desktop usage or extensions I can install to make it work properly?

Kodi seems to be the wrong choice for what they want to do, but zeroing in on the right choice needs more information.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was asking the op what desktop environment they’re running, in response to their question

...and I was informing you that, given they are looking for an alternative to Kodi, they may not be running a DE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Oh you saw desktop like a desktop computer, I see now!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

can't go wrong with jellyfin + this way you help out by seeding if you go down the tracker route too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Idk if this is actually a good idea, but I would try using a media server like mediatomb to index the files and serve them to Kodi. It's been a while so I don't remember if it was mediatomb that did the organization or not.

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