High court rules Qantas illegally outsourced 1,700 jobs during pandemic (www.theguardian.com)

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Decision exposes embattled airline to mammoth compensation bill in major win for the Transport Workers Union

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

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[+] [email protected] -22 points 1 year ago

There is nothing morally wrong with outsourcing. It's not like these jobs are being lost. They will be done by other people.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Legally there is clearly a problem.

Morally it is abhorrent to fire people during a pandemic while collecting millions in government funding intended to keep people employed.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

There’s something morally wrong with it when you use it as an excuse to pay those workers significantly less. As well, jobs likely were lost, outsourced contracts rarely have the same rights, including leave entitlements, for their workers.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 1 year ago

Outsourcing usually happens to countries with lower cost of living. Those people get paid less, but their expenses are also much lower.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Even if you compare PPP, they are significantly worse off. Why the fuck are you in a worker reform /c/ trying to espouse the virtues of saving money by sending jobs overseas?

These companies don’t just move to developing countries because the labour is cheaper. The politicians are too, and they wield that influence to stop labour reforms.

Worker reform is important everywhere. You don’t get to call it okay that one group of workers is getting compensated less than another for doing the same job. That’s utter bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Outsourcing typically happens to exploited countries with comprador governments who bend over backwards to accommodate foreign capital. Often in places where the IMF has dismantled labor laws as part of their “structural adjustment”.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 year ago

This is the typical colonial Western attitude. It's also a fantasy. Lots of third world countries managed to climb out of poverty in a few generations thanks to outsourcing.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with the other fellow, which ones? China? 😂

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

China, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam...

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Tell me how it was outsourcing that led the Chinese government to require any and all foreign development to be Chinese owned, which is what lead to the material base upon which they developed their own domestic industries…

India must be doing great, right about now, huh? No exploited workers anywhere, right?

None of those countries suffered from unequal exchange as a result of their intake of outsourced industries?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The illegal part was the firing—mostly union workers whomst's bargaining agreement was going to expire the following month.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The part about them being union workers doesn’t super matter. They were on full-time contracts* and Australia doesn’t have at-will employment.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Key word here is "illegally".

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Part of the reason why theyres scrutiny is because Qantus workers are unionized. My coworker from Australia used to work there before moving to the U.S because of marriage.

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