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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (8 children)

There’s a large number of people out there that think “everything sucks right now and there’s a democrat president, so to make things different I should vote republican”

Fund schools. Keep the department of Education in existence and quadruple its funding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Hell yeah!

I never had kids, never wanted kids. Have always pushed for education. As a stoner, was crazy excited about talk of legalization and taxes going to schools when the idea was first floated around by us. Happily. Hell yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You should be against genocide and not vote for genociders.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And since enough dumbasses are actually putting forward enough effort to show there is a frighteningly high backing for a candidate that will prevent any presidential voting in the future, I'm gonna have to break my record and vote for one of the major 2 parties for this election.

One of these 2 WILL WIN THE US ELECTION. There is no pretending that, this close to polling date, that there is any other outcome.

We need to start locally and push harder for reforms from there up. Only one of the 2 party systems will allow this in our future at the moment. This is just the sad and horrible truth we face at the moment.

If we really think the system has failed us and will not let us break free of the 2 party bullshit, well, then we need to be better educated and better organized. We have internet and advanced messaging technology. Our past is riddled with those who made amazing changes and voiced mass public opinion with way less.

Knowledge is power. Protect and enhance the education to really power change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If you want people to work from the bottom up to achieve the necessary changes to prevent this country from being genocidal you will rapidly discover that neither the Democratic nor Republican parties can be that vehicle. They are our enemies and work against us, only dithering with cynical PR and pandering to avoid losing without actually needing to deliver on any demands. Unprincipled attempts to enter and change the Democrats on their terms leads to alienation or cooption, e.g. "the squad" supporting Israel or getting destroyes by capital.

Rather than support a genocoder, please do the actual change work. At least then you can see it fail and then do actually useful things against the genocidal empire.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I agree, but I don’t have that choice right now. The issue of genocide isn’t on the two-party ballot. The issue of public education is. Fewer educated people means fewer people who can even identify genocide when it happens.

“But what good is identifying genocide if you’re not gonna stop it”

HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?

If you actually want to stop fascism in the long term you'll need to join a socialist org. Liberals have historically acquiesced to fascism because of systemic forces inherent to capitalism.

If you'd like to know more, I'd recommend reading "The economy and class structure of german fascism"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The thing that I think really makes it obvious that your thinking here is completely defective is that you don't even bring up the question "are you in a swing state?" I'm in a deep-blue state, why the fuck, even by your broken logic, should I vote for Kamala? She'll win my whole state anyway, so all I'm doing is helping to legitimize her if I vote for her, not do a single thing to keep Orange Man out.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Time to sieze the trolley and build new tracks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (29 children)

You can fight the trolley itself instead of justifying supporting genocide.

PS this is the real world not a meme. Political power is not a trolley problem, it is a matter of organization and education. You disempower yourself and others by pretending you can only backseat cheerlead a genocide. Instead of supporting this, go and join an organization that is actually opposing it and start doing work.

In the US, every student is eventually presented with lessons on the Holocaust and asked to think about what they would do. Right now, to be honest, your answer would have to be, "support it using poorly thought out propaganda".

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I have a plan, hear me out,

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fun fact: The United States actually has more than 2 parties

The More You Know

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This message brought to you by Jill Stein who pops up every four years to grift money and accomplish nothing except cozying up to Putin. I guess there is still the brain worm dead animal guy?

Third parties in the US are unserious. I wish that weren't the case but that's the reality.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Oh, please tell me which third party candidate not only has a real shot at this election but is also not just a far-right grifter in disguise.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One of these parties actively campaigns and passes legislation to block my access to health care and wants to make my existence in public illegal. Their supporters regularly say people like me need to be beat or murdered. I have had this happen in person, to my face, by a family member.

The other party actively tries to block the harmful legislation and passes protections for me. Their supporters are at worse indifferent to my existence but are often supportive of my navigation through my struggles.

To be able to ignore these differences and put words in other other minority's mouths shows an extreme level of privilege.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The other party is actively engaged in a genocide, but I guess as long as its other people being murdered at an industrial scale, libs don't give a shit.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Whole lotta people shouting over actual marginalised peoples in this thread.......

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The LDs still barely have any MPs, let along enough to affect policy.

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